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Special Guest Debbie King: The Transformative Power of Forgiveness and Faith
Ever wondered how a single moment can change the course of your entire life? Join us on the 421 Show as we hear the inspiring testimony of Debbie King, who recounts her spiritual journey from a pivotal experience at Vacation Bible School in 1974 to her profound acceptance of Jesus into her heart. Alongside Debbie, we are joined by Sister Deb Osborne, who provides valuable insights into the role of community and faith, particularly in rural areas. This episode promises to uplift and encourage you to embrace your own faith journey and seek spiritual growth, showcasing the undeniable power of God's presence in our lives.
Debbie's story is a testament to the lasting impact of early religious exposures, even amidst challenging circumstances. She shares her experiences of sporadic church attendance, navigating different religious teachings, and ultimately finding her way back to the Baptist church. From the symbolic importance of baptism during pregnancy to the trials of raising four sons alone and escaping an abusive relationship, Debbie illustrates how faith has been her guiding light through life's adversities. Together with Sister Deb Osborne, they highlight the importance of setting a good example for children and the enduring strength of faith.
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Speaker 3:And today we have a very special guest. She's going to be giving our testimony. Her name is Debbie King and we'll just go ahead and get the show started. Glory to God, hallelujah, welcome Debbie to the show. Thank you for having me. Yes, and we got Deb Osborne with us too. She's sitting in with the interview, and so we prayed before the show and I believe the Lord's going to move on this. Amen.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:You got anything to say before we start?
Speaker 1:He said, were there two or three gathered in the midst? He was one in the midst.
Speaker 3:Yes, I give God all the glory.
Speaker 1:He's here.
Speaker 3:Yes, he is yes he is.
Speaker 1:I'm looking forward to this today, debbie, welcome to the studio.
Speaker 3:Yes, welcome.
Speaker 2:Well, I praise God for the opportunity to be here, because I know this is an open door from the Lord.
Speaker 3:Right, well, see you, by doing this, was going to give somebody inspiration to do this. This is like you know, especially in these backwoods, in the mountains, a lot of people are scared to do things or scared to try new things. You know because, be truthful, it is scary because a lot of this stuff is not of the Lord. So you have to be careful, and we live in a really rural area where a lot of things are still done like they was done back, you know, 40 or 50 years ago. But again, her name is Debbie King. You can find her on Facebook and I'm going to link her Facebook account on the website so you guys can email her, you can message her however you want to do that. So start wherever you want to start, go ahead. I'll probably jump in and ask you a few questions, or Debbie might chime in, you know. If you want to ask us a question, hey, shoot, that's what we're here for.
Speaker 2:Well, this is about my testimony today, so people can hear a little bit about my struggles, Failures and successes. I guess you might say when I was in 1974, when I was 14 years old, I went to Vacation Bible School at the church in my area, Blackmont Baptist Church and it was the last day. At this point, you know where they got all the hot dogs and all the stuff that you got to eat that day, and it was a day everybody was looking forward to. And so I was outside and all of a sudden it started getting so hot to me I just could not stand it out there and that wasn't like me at all. So I said, well, I was going to go inside where the air conditioner was in the church and this is when the little brownstone church was still there and I came inside and I sat down about so many rows up, and then this man came in and he had a whole bunch of young boys and he put them on the back row and since they were sitting close to me, I got up and I moved further up a little bit closer to the air conditioner. I found the vent finally Right and he asked these boys and this was a common way they used to lead people to the Lord, but you don't hardly hear it anymore.
Speaker 2:And he asked these boys. He said if you died today, where would you go? To hell or to heaven? And then he explained to them that you have no promise of tomorrow. It didn't matter that she was young. And then he said the only way that you could be saved is to ask jesus to come into your heart and forgive you of your sins. And then you were saved, and that's the only way that your name could get into the Lamb's Book of Life. And if you didn't do that, then your choice would be hell. So I asked myself. I said if I died today, where would I go? And I thought, well, hell would be where I'd go. And I thought, well, I'm 14, but yeah, what he says is true, you know. And then he looked at the young boys and he's like are you guys sure? And they all said no. And he said well, I know that God sent me in here, told me to come in here and lead someone to the Lord. He said are you guys sure? And they said yes.
Speaker 2:The thought come to my mind that he was talking to me, Talking to you, yep. So I jumped up and I said it's me, you talking to me. I said I don't want to die and go to hell. And it shocked everybody in there, Wow, and it surprised him. And so he jumped up and run to me to pray and I said no, I said I don't want to pray right here, I want to pray where the altar is. There's an altar right there and I don't feel right just praying because I'm in a church. I want to go to the altar. So we went up there and prayed and I just was so relieved, you know, and I thought to myself well, I said to the lord, actually I said, well, I guess my parents will be proud of me.
Speaker 2:Uh, they probably won't worry about me so much as I'm saved. And the lord spoke to me as clear as day and he said no, they won't, they won't understand. So I said, well, I I was afraid. It just scared me really bad. And so I told the Lord. I said, well, I'm not going to tell him. And the Lord said if you're ashamed of me before man, I'll be ashamed of you before my father. Well, I didn't even know that was in the Bible. And I said I'm not afraid, Lord, I'm not ashamed of you, I'm afraid. And he said well, you got to tell him. And so I did. I went home and told him and I had a stepmother, and immediately she said ha, you're not old enough to make that decision and you're not going back wow, I've heard of testimonies where people got saved at five yes you know, you know, it's Lord gifts us with mental capacity.
Speaker 3:So if they're old enough to comprehend all that, then they're old enough to give their heart to the Lord.
Speaker 2:I know, I know I was. I felt scared, you know. I thought, yeah, if I die? Yeah, you know, I felt it, I know, when the Lord spoke to me and what I should have said was Dad, the Lord spoke to me and told me you wouldn't understand, right, but it just scared me and I just started shaking and crying and just turned around and walked off, right?
Speaker 1:Well, you were young.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you know what, when I told the Lord that he never said anything else to me, he never said nothing else. I was like, what do I do? And he never said nothing else. And that's the way he is.
Speaker 1:He gives you enough information. That was your first trial at 14.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That was your first trial right there was going to be right through the people.
Speaker 3:I'll be honest with you, If I got saved at 14, I'd be dumber than a box of rocks, because I was a bad kid, naive. I didn't really start to grow up until I got into my 20s and still then it was like I had this. It was like I was still in this child state mentality.
Speaker 2:Right. Well, we had to stay home all the time and we got up and started working at 5 o'clock in the morning and then it was all day on the weekends. We were at home working. We never went anywhere or done anything, uh, and it was just a joy to me just to get to go to church, right. But then my stepmother, she started going to a jehovah witness church. When I start to say church, they call them kingdom halls.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:But you know, I was taught a lot of different things. So at one point I really got confused and my dad, he wouldn't let her go unless we went with her. So and one thing that they have to do is they have to teach two hours of bible study, they have to go out in the community and and give out bible tracts and stuff like that. But he wouldn't let her go unless we went with her. So there I was being taught something different. Well, but you know what the Lord would speak to me and tell me. Do you remember what you was taught in Sunday school about this? That was truth. And he said so just don't listen to this, this particular things that they would teach on. But you know, I did learn something. I did grow some there, because where she had to teach those two hours of Bible study every week, she taught it to me and my younger sister. Well, at that point, really, my dad couldn't read and write, so I never seen nobody pick up a Bible in my house I don't even know at that point if there was one in there, and so I didn't know about reading the Bible, studying it. You know, my Aunt Barb had this great big family Bible and when we was a child she would open it up and say look at the pictures and you pick out something and I'll read it to you. And so that was how I was taught, mostly by one of the grown-ups reading the story or telling us the story. So at least through that I learned how to look up things in the Bible and I learned the books of the Bible. But I was stuck in that until I got married.
Speaker 2:And I got married at the age of 17. I wanted to go to the military and my dad said absolutely not. He went and signed for me, boy, he signed for me to get married. I don't know what would have been the worst. I'm like wow, get married. I don't know what would have been the worst. I'm like wow. But then I didn't go back to church again until I was 25, and that was a long stretch. It was just like my family believed in the Lord and we loved the Lord, but for some reason they just didn't go to church. And again I went back to the Baptist church and I rededicated my life back to the Lord and when I was baptized I was four months pregnant with my youngest son. And I wonder. I thought when I went in that water and come back up that that had maybe some kind of significance on his life. I don't know that remains to be seen but he's sure been in a.
Speaker 3:Well, I know, growing up I wasn't raised in church, but what little bit that I did see my grandmother and she forced me to church and I'll be honest with you, I can probably count on one hand how many times I'd actually been to church, or two hands. You know, growing up as a child, and what little bit that I'd heard my grandmother do and I've seen her do in church stuck with me enough.
Speaker 3:You know, and that's where the Lord goes back and says all you need is a grain of mustard seed. You know, it's talking about faith, that's talking about everything that we deal with God. You know, if you, just if you plant that small little seed in that child. That's why we have to be careful what we do, where we go, what we see. What's that old monkey? See monkey, do you know? You cover your eyes. I mean, that's why the Lord says we should guard our hearts. You know, because people are watching us, and especially younger children.
Speaker 2:Right. Yeah, you know. Well, I went to that Baptist church for a while and God used me there. They was just thoughts that would come to my mind and scriptures and stuff, and I would go to the pastor and I would show him that and he goes huh, that's my sermon, you know. But he did use me there. One woman was going through something scary for her and the Lord just had me look at her and say, look, it's going to be all right, right. Don't know what you're going through, but it's going to be all right, right. And then she told me later what it was.
Speaker 2:But I was riding to church with a preacher and his wife and all of a sudden they just quit coming. I didn't know what had happened. I know I hadn't done anything wrong. I was given no explanation and it took me years to find out that it was because they passed the new seatbelt laws and I had four sons, so there wasn't enough seatbelts in the preacher's car for all of us to have a seatbelt. I mean, they could have explained that to me.
Speaker 2:You know, I didn't know what had happened. I know I hadn't done anything wrong and it took me 11 years to find out what had happened. But in the meantime I was devastated, my kids were hurt, because we all got up and got ready to go and sat there and waited the next week, and you know. So finally I just give up on it. But apparently the church had voted on it and it wasn't his ideal, but the church had voted on it because I didn't have enough seatbelts. That would have been simply explained to me, yep, and I might could have worked on something else, right, and it never occurred to me to go to a different church. But God had another plan.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:You know he don't give up on you. That's just like if your child does something wrong, you can teach them. You got to do with each child different. I had one child I could sit down and say, look, this is why I don't want you to do this and you're going to get in trouble if you make a choice to continue to do it and it's going to be your choice. But I'm your mother and I have to discipline you. And that one kid right there would pay attention and he would always do what I told him to do. But God will never leave you, he'll never forsake you. He just won't throw up his hands and walk away. I mean, sometimes we do stuff that other people Would do, that too.
Speaker 2:But sometimes it takes a long time when you've been hurt in church for you to get back, because it's a devastating thing that happens especially to a young Christian, and it takes God to heal them. But it's a long time in between me getting back in church. I had a lot of bad things happen to me, but God saw me through it all and as soon as my husband know that I was pregnant with the son that I was talking about being baptized with, he said that he was going to go to Ohio and get a job and get us an apartment and he was going to come back and get us. So he didn't come back and when my baby was a year old, I went to Ohio and I went to where he lived. I parked down the street and I watched him.
Speaker 2:And when he come home, about 30 minutes after I got there, 30 minutes after he come home, I mean I seen him come out the door and he had to go down this hill and stuff. So I jumped out and he jumped in his car, had three teenage girls in it and his brother-in-law teenage girls in it and his uh, brother-in-law and um. So I stepped in front of the car and he jumps out and he says, hey, where's my baby, where's my son? You know, act like he was just real happy to see me. And I said, well, he's in kentucky. And I said if you want to see him, you either gotta get us a place to live or you gotta come back. I I tried with everything in me. That's all I have to say.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And for a while he did come back for a little while and then he left again, and this is to let you know. This part of my testimony is to let you know what I went through and how God moved in all of this, in case anybody's wondering.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:So I went to Ohio with my four sons and I got an apartment. But the apartment I got the pilot light was my hot water heater was gas heated and the pilot light kept going out. Well, my mom said there's a church Catholic church just up the road and she said they may be able to replace your hot water heater. So I went down the street to the Catholic church and I explained to them everything that was going on. In about two days they got me a three-bedroom apartment. That was one of the nicest places I had ever lived in. Wow, it was really nice.
Speaker 1:That's awesome.
Speaker 2:And I found out that my husband at that time was living in a house with an older woman and those three teenage girls and I found out that one of them was indeed his girlfriend, which he denied until she came up pregnant was indeed his girlfriend, which he denied until she came up pregnant. So he came to see the boys on the weekend and I prayed about all this before I put this in here, so I'm just going to tell it just like it is.
Speaker 3:You tell it.
Speaker 2:So I would never stop him from seeing the boys, because I had grown up without my mom and I knowed how important it was for both parents to be there. Right, and uh, he had. When I found out what was going on, he moved out of that house, but I didn't know. He moved that girl into one of his friends houses, and uh, so there was a house full of people where he lived at, and uh, so I came to realize, when I was letting him come down to see the boys, uh, here he pulls out a bag of weed and he has beer in my refrigerator. So, uh, and he's supposed to be coming down. He was just coming down to watch the ball game, and so he could have all that to himself, because he was a selfish person and if he was in that house he was going to have to share it with everybody there.
Speaker 2:So, um, one day, when he come down, his brother kept calling and calling and calling, and I got to thinking something's up. So, uh, well, I went and I wanted to know what he was doing. But what he was doing was putting that girl on the phone to talk to him while he was there. So I stood on the other side of the wall and I listened as she told him that she was pregnant. Well, I was always taught that you couldn't get a divorce. If you did, you could not get married again. So I was trying with everything in me to try to make my marriage work. But both people have to want that marriage to work Takes two.
Speaker 2:And so at that point, all the love I had and everything just drained out of me. I was hurt, I was ashamed, I was mad. I asked myself why wasn't I good enough? I told myself that I was a failure. But of course that's the devil's talk to you, that's him talking to you. You might think it's you, but it's him.
Speaker 2:And when he come back in the room, I told him that I had heard all of it. I asked him how old the girl was and he said she's 17, and you can't touch her. Well, I wasn't thinking along that lines. I said well, she's too young to raise this baby by herself. I said you just stay here and help her raise this baby. I'm a strong woman. I'll raise our sons by myself.
Speaker 2:I told him I didn't have nothing else left for him. That love and hate walks a thin line and he just crossed it and I was devastated and I was trying to keep a brave face, you know, but I was hurt. When something like that happens, you really do feel your heart break, right? You really do. And so I said all that to him in a calm manner and I turned around and walked away and I had a very long living room and a dining room together.
Speaker 2:And so I walked over to look out the window because I didn't want him to see me cry. I was trying not to while he was there and I had told him he could always come and see the kids and I made that point that I would remain friends for the kids sakes. And, uh, in a few minutes he yelled at me and I turned around, uh to see. I just turned around to see what he was yelling at and he had thrown that six-pack of beer across the room and it hit me right across the face and it cut my face so deep it knocked me down in the floor and it cut my face so deep that the blood was gelling and before I could get up. And this is the part that I figure people might not want to hear, but I know God wants me to tell this.
Speaker 3:Tell it.
Speaker 2:So before I could get up, he picked me up by my hair and at the time I only weighed 95 pounds and he took me over to a part in the apartment where there used to be a fireplace and he bashed my face in that wall twice and I threw my hands up over my face, because it messed my nose up too, and cut my face open and uh. So he threw me across the chair and he started choking me. And um, he was choking, he was choking the life out of me. I felt my spirit leave my body three times during this process and I knew that I was going to die. So I looked him in the eye to try to say something, but his eyes were blood red, he was foaming at the mouth and at that point I know it was a demonic attack.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know I grew up in a abusive home, so I know where you're coming from. You know. You know your parents. You know are fighting in the next room of you know my mom coming out with a black eye. You know curs, cursing, going on, threatening, going on. I'll kill you. You kill me. You know suicide yeah, I've been there. I know exactly what you, what you're talking about.
Speaker 2:I had a battle of suicide too.
Speaker 3:And you know, and there's nothing wrong with telling the truth, because it's the truth that sets us free, and I think this is where the church is missing it. You know, we're to tell the truth, we're to testify what god has brought us from, and we're. But the one thing we shouldn't do is glorify where we came from, and I think that's where people mess up at and giving a testimony is they're still glorifying or they're still living like they're back in the 70s or still living like they're in the 90s. Right, you know, and you know when I, when I tell my testimony, when I first started to tell it, you know I try not to glorify. You know the stuff that I had done. You know the drugs, the alcohol and all the party and I dump, but no, they it. I tell you where the lord brought me from. Yeah, and I'm.
Speaker 3:You know, and and I I definitely can't relate to you because I grew up. I was a kid, yeah, know, growing up and watching my mother get beat, then watching my mom. You know it was so bad in my house that me and mom had a bug out bag. You know, when things got rough, you know, me and my sister, we hit the car and run and we was in a different state in two hours. Yeah, you know, we had holes in the floor covered up with trap doors just to hide stuff, to keep from you know my stepdad? Yeah, you know. And so, yeah, definitely people need to hear it. So don't, yeah, I say tell it.
Speaker 1:I want to tell you this first, if I can say something I I know, you know that this stuff because, because I know where you're, I've not really been in an abusive relationship, I've. I've been. You know drugs and drinking and partying and all that, and the Lord has brought me out.
Speaker 2:You know I've told you some of the stuff the Lord's brought me out of.
Speaker 1:But you know, when I hear you saying that, I can still hear the hurt. Yeah, it's always there. So you know, I told somebody here the other day I was talking about—we were talking about my past and my testimony and I said you know, like you said, brother, a lot of churches they don't want to hear negativity. But you know what I told somebody the other day. I said if I can't tell you where I was, how can I tell you where God brought me from? How can I explain to you this is what God done to me, if you don't know where I was at and what I was going through?
Speaker 2:If you don't tell people, because a lot of people think the people in the church is stuck up snobby, they don't care about them. They were born saved, but no, you got to tell them where you come from.
Speaker 3:I'm going to say 95% of the church is not stuck up. They're just afraid. They're afraid to tell the truth. The other 5%, I'm going to be honest with you, they probably are, you know that's the way people view us sometimes, because I've had them tell me that Right.
Speaker 2:But you know, when he looked that way, when his eyes were blood red and he was foaming at the mouth, I looked away. That wasn't the last thing I wanted to see. But when I rolled my eyes and looked away, there was all of my sons sitting on the couch basically watching their dad kill their mom, you know.
Speaker 2:and I said god please don't let him kill me in front of my kids. I I didn't know what he might do to them, uh, and I I certainly wasn't gonna be able to help him. And uh, he looked up and he just turned me loose and he went in the kitchen and got all of his stuff and I was choked so bad that I could not hear one of my sons ask his dad not to kill his mom. That's sad, now that's something. And I didn't know that he even said that till just actually a few years ago, because I was choked so bad I couldn't hear. I don't know if that makes sense to anybody, but that's what happened to me.
Speaker 2:He just turned me loose and uh, before he just I mean, that was said just in time because besides just choking me, he jerked me around and he stretched my neck across the chair arm, and he was stretching my neck and choking me as far as he could.
Speaker 2:And then he picked up that six pack of beer and he was going to hit me in the face and I know that would have killed me or paralyzed me one and he turned me loose just at the right time and he took my face, uh, a long time just for the bruises to lighten up right and I put butterfly band-aids on my face, uh, and it just came to my mind that I could straighten out my nose and I know it was the Lord instructing me now and he told me how to do it and my nose was this way it wasn't way over, but it was out of place, right. So the Lord told me how to do it, and he told me to do it while it was still numb, and so I straightened my nose back out, but, man, my face was black.
Speaker 1:Wow, wow.
Speaker 2:Black and I thank God that my cut places, my scars, looks like wrinkles they do, and I thank God for that, and I cried and prayed and asked him not to let me look like a monster, because that's what I did.
Speaker 2:Right monster, because that's what I did, right. And uh, you know, I had, uh, I had to walk my kids to school. So there I was, you know, I I didn't know what to do, but uh, god healed my face up nicely and I thank him for that. And I told, told god that that I would not put him in jail because of the boys. Plus, I heard the lord say to me vengeance is mine, all right.
Speaker 3:so I think that's where church falls short a lot too. You know lord knows our our troubles that we're going through, yeah right, and we should give everything to him. You know, if we take things in, I know personally myself, if I take things matter in my own hands, I mess it up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know you could have got mad and, you know, ended up shooting All right you know I've heard my mom said yeah, next time you lay hands on me I want to shoot you. What if something you know just turned one day and you did. You're not been here today. Sit behind the mic giving your testimony.
Speaker 2:Well, I you know, Satan hates marriages, he hates families.
Speaker 3:Because it's a covenant between two people like God.
Speaker 2:To me. I think it's a covenant between a man and woman and God yeah it's sacred.
Speaker 3:That's why you know he says he hates divorce. You know it is very blessing, you know, to leave your mother and father. You know, and cleave to your wife. You know that's part of growth. It's part of you know the nature of man and woman is to grow and it's part of growth, right.
Speaker 2:You know, I also didn't want to explain to my sons that I put their dad in jail because they loved him. But God had another plan. But God had had another plan and I had other people take my kids back and forth to school because where I lived at, if you live within a so much block radius of the school, you had to walk. So I had to walk one son in the morning, in the middle of the day I had to take the other one to kindergarten and then had to go back and get them at the end of the day and I just I mean, I looked so horrible. My face was laid open, it was black, it was swollen, my lip, my teeth went through my lip and plus my choke marks.
Speaker 2:And I know, sometimes people look down on your kids and they hold it against them, and so I didn't want that to happen and it was for years that I couldn't even talk about this. I mean, I'd go numb, I felt like I was going to pass out and I'd just have to stop dead, stop in the middle of it, and I'd be trying to tell somebody to try to help them and I just couldn't do it. I guess it was post-stress deficit disorder, I don't even know if I said that right.
Speaker 2:I don't know either, but all I know is well, I wasn't in church at the time, but, like I say, I'd been saved when I was 14. And the Lord just don't leave you.
Speaker 2:And he answered that prayer and he answered it in a heartbeat. He got him off me and got him out of the apartment. Well, it was a pretty good while. After that he came to me and he said I need to talk to you, it's important. He said I want to go out, I want to take you out and we're just going to go talk. I was assuming dinner or something like that, and I guess what he wanted to talk about was the boys Instead of.
Speaker 2:He took me to a bar and I never wanted. That's one thing that I was never interested in. I was always actually afraid to go somewhere like that. But when I went in there, everybody knew him. He had all kinds of friends.
Speaker 2:I think every person in the place knew him there, and I mean he couldn't send me any money to help me with the kids, but he had money to go to the bar, right, uh, how the devil will make you think you're having a good time. But and the people that was in there? They'd say stuff like what are you doing with him? They'd say it in a nice way and they said stuff like I was too beautiful to be with him. They told me that he bought other women in there all the time, but I took it that they were flirting so I didn't take them serious because they said nothing as good-looking as you and stuff like that. So I didn't take them serious and I never did think of myself as being good-looking at average at the most.
Speaker 2:So I didn't take him serious and I looked around the room to see where he was at and he was at the bar, getting drinks, I guess, and he had his arm up around a woman on each side and had his head leaned down and I thought to myself I wonder what he's looking at. He turned around and looked and saw me and he jumped up and he came running over. He set two drinks down at the table. He scooted mine over in front of me. Well, he had spiked that drink. Wow yeah, and I didn't know it until it was too late. I'd got up and went the bathroom and I couldn't get up.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:And so a woman came and unlocked the door and got me out and he helped me to the car and when he got me home he threw me through the door, he cussed me the whole way that I was in the car and I didn't know what he was going to do.
Speaker 2:But I thank God he left me right and I don't know what it was he put in that drink. But when I try, I was trying to stand up holding to the wall and the end of my wall looked like about the size of a matchbox and I didn't even know if I could walk. So I was holding on to the walls until I could get where my bedroom was at. But I thank God that he left me. But he went and got his girlfriend and her mother and he got arrested for DUI. Then he showed me the paper and he didn't know that the police officer had put on the paper that there was two women with him and that one of them was underage. So he went to jail. There's two women with him and one of them was underage. So he went to jail and thank God that he had filled out his income taxes before he had went to jail.
Speaker 2:Well, his brother would come and get me and the boys in the morning to go see their dad, and this was hard for me to do because I was done, but I want it for my kids' sakes, you know, and I can never get him to bring me in the morning. So one day, when we went there, they had a little notebook laying there and you would write the person's name on it you were going to see and your name and how many people was with you. Well, the morning sheet was still there, so I saw that where his brother had been bringing his girlfriend to see him in the mornings. So I just quit going and myself I was done with it and I was trying to struggle back and forth Am I taking my kids back to Kentucky, or you know what am I going to do? But when he was ready to get out, he called me and asked me if I would like to go back to Kentucky. He said he was going to go to his grandmother's house and that he would use his income taxes. You know, at first I told him I said, yes, I'll go back to Kentucky because that was my way to get there.
Speaker 2:And when we got there, then he wouldn't leave and the boys cried and asked me not to make their dad leave and I thought well, you know he's not in that mess right now and I live around my family. My dad's, my aunt's lived around me and I had help with the boys there and I felt safe. Well then, the verbal abuse started and just be patient with me, people, we're getting there. The verbal abuse started and it eventually caused me to get real sick, and when I got real sick, I began to see demons in that house. I saw shadows. I saw one thing that was absolutely horrifying, and I seen it face to face.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:But that was only when I got real sick. I couldn't really see it and I think that was the reason why I got so sick. But I did see the demons and you know, I can't say that me and him didn't have good times there, because he was a different person around my family and a different person away from all that, but they just there, just wasn't enough of them. So I stayed, stressed out all the time. I walked around on eggshells and I ended up losing so much weight because I weighed 75 pounds. I just couldn't breathe and eat at the same time and I would just eat just enough food because I was struggling, fighting to breathe so bad. I don't know if I was hyperventilating, but I know one thing I was slowly dying again and I wasn't in church at the time. I hadn't got back in church, but I began to pray and I said God, he's killing me slowly. I said, help me, I'm afraid to make him go, but I said he's going to slowly. I said, help me, I'm afraid to make him go, but I said he's going to get his paycheck on Thursday and I'm going to ask him to go. But every day, all day long, I kept praying and asking God not to let him kill me, not to let him hurt me, just let him go when I ask him to. Well, come Wednesday, the day before I was going to say that, my driveway was filled with the state police and they came in and arrested him for something that he had done. Now God moved him out of my life, right there, him out of my life, right there.
Speaker 2:But uh, one night years later, when I was praying, it was uh, well I, I woke up, I was praying about three o'clock in the morning and, as your eyes are closed, all you you see is darkness, but I begin to see jail cells, bars, and he stepped out. He stepped out of the darkness and he looked at me and he never said anything. So I asked God, I said what is this? I forgive him. I forgave him. So what is this?
Speaker 2:God said you stop praying for him. He said he has made himself your enemy and that I had to pray for him. And I think you should always pray and ask God to save your enemies, because I feel like when they're saved, they're his child and he will, he will, deal, he'll, he'll deal with them, just like he did with us, and, uh, he'll deal with them just like he did with us, right, and because you know it's not that person, it's the devil Right Through that person and using them, he knows what to use against you. Yeah, so I asked God if he was keeping him locked up to keep me safe, and I told him. I asked him just to let him go, and I didn't know he was going up for parole that day. But he made parole and they had turned him down for the last nine years. He spent many years in there, wow. But when I forgave him, god healed me of all that damage and there was a lot of damage.
Speaker 3:I can relate a lot to that, because this year recently there was so much resentment in me that I didn't know I had it. Yeah, I thought I'd forgiven these people, I thought I'd let them go, but I hadn't. I hadn't let them go, but when I realized that the Lord had showed me that truth, it's just like a bit of it was gone.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, I couldn't talk about it before and my baby. He was three years old when he got put in prison and he was 19 at this time. But you know what? I called out his name to the Lord many a times and he's saved now. Wow, that's awesome, he is saved.
Speaker 2:Is he around here? No, he's in Ohio. He has just recently. He got out then and done something to violate his parole so he had to go back. So he just got out I think last year, and he calls me and he apologized for everything and he said you don't know, I was a real evil person. He said you don't know how evil I was and you didn't deserve it. He asked me to forgive him. That's awesome.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:That is.
Speaker 1:That's awesome.
Speaker 2:And now I can call him without worrying or being stressed, or he calls me and he asks me about the kids because he did not get to be around them growing up. I mean, the baby was three and Stephen was seven and I think Bobby was. I think they went all the way up to nine. From three to nine, and forgiveness is a powerful word in itself, but forgiveness is for you to heal and it's hard to do. Yes.
Speaker 3:It's hard to do. Yes, it's hard to do. I think forgiveness is one of the greatest gifts that God has given us, that he has forgiven us, but we have that power to forgive ourselves. Yeah, and to me, that is one remarkable gift that God has given us, and I think we should utilize that gift that God has given us, be more forgiven. Yeah, you know, because the Lord says you know he forgives us of our sins. Right, and you know we should forgive others too.
Speaker 2:Well, look at what he went through. He went through a beating that was for a healing. He took the nails in his hands and his feet and the Lord gave me a vision and I'm telling you, it's nothing like the paintings on the wall, and one day I may get an opportunity to give that vision, because I want to do it all. In itself, it's just the details. I cried forever, I know at least a month, constantly, almost, after I saw that. But even in that we're weak in the flesh. Even in that I still messed up a time or two. And you would think, seeing what I saw, you would never mess up.
Speaker 2:But you know what? I think the worst thing that Christ went through during that crucifixion is when he screamed, cried out my God, my God, why have you forsaken me? For up until that time he called him Father, and that had to be so horrible for him to be without the presence of his Father. And that's what hell's going to be like for people. They're not going to have nothing good in hell. That's what hell's going to be like for people. They're not going to have nothing good in hell.
Speaker 2:But I was 25 years old and I'm getting back on track on my testimony. So I was 25 years old when I was hurt in church and now I was 43. It took a long time for me to come back around. That's a long time to walk around in the darkness and there was a lot of stuff happened. But you know, god is so good, he keeps us, he keeps us safe. But now, at this point, when I was writing all this down, god put a scripture in my mind and I just jotted it up in the corner and when I rewrote it at this point, god told me to put this in here and he said it is for somebody, and it may be for somebody that's going through what we just talked about, but it's Joshua 1 and 5. It says when you obey me, sayeth the Lord, no one will be able to stand against you all the days of your life. As I was with moses, so will I be with you. Well, now god was talking to joshua there. But the same god in the bible, the same thing he done for those children there, he'll do it for you. And we are going to see some of those great moves, because a lot of rain is coming. Everybody knows we're in the last days. We really need to get in a big hurry trying to win the last, and a lot of it's going to be showing the love of Christ, reaching out a helping hand. A lot of it's going to be that.
Speaker 2:So, at the age of 43, there was a lot going on in my life. I was married to a good man, I had a good job and my children were. They were grown, but they were still home and I should have been happy. You know, I was reaching a new point in my life. When my kids was grown, you could have a little bit of freedom. But I was so miserable, and a lot of my misery um was at that time. I was in a lot of pain. Uh, I never took anything for it. Uh, there was a muscle pulling loose in my foot, but it sounded like my bones would break every time I put my foot on the floor and my knees would hurt. My hips would just kill me. I couldn't hardly lay in the bed and sleep. I had arthritis in my spine, I had developed high blood pressure and I think I'd actually had a few light heart attacks. But I never told nobody and nobody really didn't even know it. To this point in my life I was never disgusted with anybody. My thought was that I just worked till I died. But I told God that if this is what it feels like at the age of 43, I can't even imagine what it feels like at 60. And I didn't want to continue like this. Something had to give for him to take me home or heal me, and at that time I hadn't given my life back to the Lord. But God was dealing with me.
Speaker 2:Where I worked at, they had hired a woman that was a prophetess of God and if I said her name, most of Harlan County would probably know who she was. She's gone on to be with the Lord now, but she was such a mentor to me, right, um? But uh, she had started a prayer circle at work and she said we can pray before seven o'clock, that's before time starts and they can't do nothing to us. And uh, I went up there one day to give them a prayer request and she asked me to stand there in the circle and uh, while they prayed for me, and then every day she would ask me to join that prayer circle and they would. People come from all over the factory and give all kinds of prayer requests.
Speaker 2:Well, I had three sons at that time that was on pain pills, the Oxycontins. They were on them and I had went my whole life feeling like nobody loved me, that nobody cared about me. I just couldn't see it nowhere. I just never felt loved. I always felt rejected. I was just blind to it. But all of it was coming to a head. I would wake up at 3 o'clock in the morning and I would pray and ask God to help me. And you know also, I had a two-month-old granddaughter. Her mom was in a car wreck. It threw her across the road and the car flipped and it crushed her hips and legs and they didn't think she'd ever walk again. I couldn't talk to her about the lord until that happened, but that's a different testimony in itself, right, uh?
Speaker 2:So when I woke up at three o'clock that one morning, I had an attitude.
Speaker 2:I said God, why won't you help me?
Speaker 2:And he said why don't you pray?
Speaker 2:Which shocked me. That's what I was doing, that wasn't what he meant. And so I said I have been praying, why don't you help me? He said get up and pray. And I said no, I'm going to lay right here and pray. And he said no, you'll fall asleep, I need to talk to you. Well, that'll get you attention.
Speaker 2:And so, as I began to pray, I laid all my burdens down and I said God, this is Monday and this is what I'm fixing. To say is something people don't realize, so pay close attention to this. I said, god, this is Monday and when it comes Wednesday, I will go wherever you tell me to go, because I'm confused and I've tried so many times and and I failed. And wherever you tell me to go, that's where I'll go. And God said very sharply oh no, you don't. If you're not serving me, you're serving Satan. That's your only two choices, no matter how good a person or how bad a person you are. I said only two choices. And people don't realize that right there. And he said I'm here right now. He said if you're not serving me, you're serving Satan and he has every right to take you out. And he will surely take you out. I'm here now and he will surely take you out. I'm here now. Give your life to me now, while you can, so believe me. I prayed, and so when I prayed and I gave my life to the Lord. Then I heard another voice say you've done it now. And I know who that voice was, because I got such a strange creepy feeling come over me so I really didn't know what to do at that moment. So I just sat back and I said God, here is this mess, just do what you can do with it.
Speaker 2:And when I went back to work, the prophetess at work. She said when God saved you, he put a powerful anointing on you and the devil was right there and it made him very angry. She didn't have to tell me he was there. And she told me that he had people everywhere, everywhere, and he had people in the church he had, that Satan had people everywhere and that they were going to come up against me. Well, god sent me to a Pentecostal church and it's where I received the baptism of the Holy Ghost for the first time. And when I received the baptism of the Holy Ghost, I began to have dreams and visions, and there were some people in that church that made very nervous. God was showing me things about some people, but I thought it was for me to pray for it. I would never stand up and point anybody out and say anything like that.
Speaker 2:But those people come up against me hard and I stood my ground for a while and the prophetess at church, at work, kept saying you need to leave, you need to go somewhere else, at work kept saying you need to leave, you need to go somewhere else.
Speaker 2:That's not the only church and that's the first time that it ever came to my mind just to go to another church and the Lord sent me to a real kind, loving church with kind, loving people and I needed that because I needed to heal, because I went through all that mess for a year and a half and it was really hard and in my mind christian people were kind, loving, caring, sweet. Uh, they never would do nothing against nobody, do everything to help anybody, but not everybody that says lord, lord is of the lord, not everybody that's in church is of god I tell you, some of the cruelest people I've ever met sits on the pulpit.
Speaker 1:Sits in a pew sits in a pulpit.
Speaker 3:You know it's the truth.
Speaker 2:You know, I had a lot of the elders in that church come and ask me to come back. They say, debbie, for some reason they just didn't come and pray for us all the time. But you would come and pray for us all the time. But you would come and pray for us and you would be praying and ask god for exactly what we were asking god for us, right? So we know that you was of the lord and we want you to come back. But the lord did give me a vision one time of that whole church yard full of tomatoes, which represents fruit. It wasn't quite yet, so I wonder if the Lord might be going to send me back there someday, because he told me that was my fruit.
Speaker 3:Well, life is a full circle.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:There's places that I never thought I would end up back, but there's reasons why we had to go full circle. There's things we have to learn or things we have to do, and my life is made a full circle and I thank God for it, me too, brother.
Speaker 2:Well, a lot of things that we go through is to help us. If God gives you a ministry or a calling, it's like my jail ministry. That testimony helped a lot of women in that jail and it made them see me, because the Lord told me to show myself real.
Speaker 2:And I'm like, well, I don't know how I do that. And he said you just give what I give you to say. And you know, I've talked about struggles, I've talked about not having food in my house and how God filled my house. I've experienced the loaves and the fishes, but it was oatmeal and light bread.
Speaker 3:You're talking about being real. You know, I watched my mom do the jail ministry here and that's what she was with the girls. She was straight up real. This is what I did, you know, I neglected, you know, my home, my kids, my husband. You know, she just flat out told them. You know, I lived a sinful life. This is what I'd done and you know, and I tried to do the same thing. When I minister to people, I try to be just as not blunt and forward, because he, god, hates forwardness.
Speaker 2:Yeah and see, but what we need to do is be honest, because it's the truth that sets us free yes, and it sets other people free and it makes people feel more comfortable because they see you as more down to earth and someone they can relate to I know, growing up, my whole thing was and I just made a facebook post about this, you know trying to find where I fit into life.
Speaker 3:What group did I fit into? Where was my friends? Who am I? You know, as a child I was a loner. I had a little bit of friends, but I never fit in in. I always felt like I was outside. You know, a circle. You know like there was something else. I just never could fit in, even up until this age, until here, recently, you know that I realized that I didn't understand what love was, and I think that's what the church lacks is a lot. If they would show more love, more people would be prone to either go to church, you know, and they would feel that love, see that love and hear that love well, what would it be if if say, like all the different individual churches and I would use harlan county as an example, I won't name any particular churches- we got 500 of them but what if, say, the person in this one church, the women in this church got together and they made peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and they went out to women they know were lost, the prostitutes, the drug addicts, the alcohol.
Speaker 2:And there's a lot of secret sin. Behind closed doors there's a lot of people a whole lot worse than anybody ever know them.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2:But what if they did that? And they went to them and they just said hello, my name's so-and-so and we go to this church and we want you to know you're welcome there. Here's you something to eat and just come and see us. We have church at this time. Then maybe another church would do the same thing the next day Don't have to be peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, you know, but that's something that if they weren't hungry at that time, they could eat it later. And just each church reach out to them and welcome them. Personally, I think after three or four churches they'd probably be saying, hey, maybe God does love me.
Speaker 3:The church needs to realize that we're one body with many members. We're not the Methodist, the Holiness, the Pentecostal, non-denominational. We're actually one church in Christ and that's where we got 500 churches just in this bible belt, in this county that we live in, and that's we're. We're divided and seeing that the devil knows that. You know, the enemy knows if he can divide us and if he could divide us over religion. You know, like the pharisees and the sagittaries, he's got his hook. We're baited. That's it.
Speaker 2:Yes, but if, if people would show the love of christ like that, that would make them feel more comfortable. And look, if they start coming into your church with, and they got tattoos, and you don't approve of tattoos, well, when god forgives you of your sins, and your sins is covered under the blood of jesus, and you think a tattoo is a sin?
Speaker 3:uh, according to the word of god, that sin is also covered under the blood of jesus well, he, he casts our sins from the east to the west and he don't, he don't remember them no more. Now he does tell us to remember where he brought us from, but not, he don't remember the sin. And see, and that's one greatest thing about god, in that love of god is, and god's all about remembrance. You know, he, he casts our sins from the east to the west and we as christians should do that the same, yeah, and but we have this tendency to go oh you, you can't do this, you can't do that, you know, yada, yada, yada. But in reality it's not for us to do that unless we come up to them. And I mean you better have the Lord, you better be prayed and fasted.
Speaker 3:Other than that, it's not for us. It's the Holy Spirit that guides us. That's what the Holy Spirit is. It's a schoolmaster. He's the one that teaches us how to dress, as he's the one that teaches us, you know, to quit the cursing and all the foul mouth, you know, and all that good stuff that comes with over time. Because when I come back to the lord, there was some things I still held on to that eventually, the lord says james, you're gonna have to let that go and look where I'm at today but see, the lord said, come and he'll clean us up.
Speaker 3:He'll do it.
Speaker 1:You know what? What a lot of people in the church today don't seem to realize is you know what? You were right there with that center in the altar, just praying right now. You were there, yeah.
Speaker 3:Now, if you're talking to the church, let's say you're a pastor, and you get up and you read the bylaws of the word. There's nothing wrong with that, because the reason why is the word is judging. Now, when you start directing it towards one individual or one set, you know, one group of individuals, then that judgment falls back upon you. And see, that's where the church is just messed up. Yeah, just plain.
Speaker 2:and simple yeah, the Lord's going to have to take a hold of us and straighten us up first, and and there's a lot of people that is in church, it's sad to say, that plays with sin and that's gotta get. God's gotta get us right, yeah. But I'm gonna tell you something if you're out there sneaking around trying to hide, people's not your judge, but there's lost people out there that see you every day and they know what you're doing. How can you invite them to come to church?
Speaker 3:I just had. I had a guy come up to me here a few weeks ago and you know I did I wouldn't mean to the kid, you know uh, we did, though, like, have some words, as far as like, hey, you should be doing this, it's work issue stuff. I guess he held a grudge, I didn't, but I knew there was some animosity between us, nothing that was sensible, but we just didn't get along. And there's people out there like that. But he come up to me and then, all of a sudden, and I was like, oh, here it goes, we're about to have some words here. But he come up to me and then, all of a sudden, he, you know, and I was like, oh, here it goes, we're about to get have some words here. But he come up and he asked me just right out of the blue, seven o'clock in the morning, will you forgive me? You know, and the boy was starting to seek forgiveness and he understood forgiveness and he knew that he had to make things right.
Speaker 3:And, uh, he's getting baptized this wednesday great and you know and he had a lot of questions, you know for a few days that you know the lord, you know, guided me. Try to help him and I know he's went to other people and got guidance. See, we're one body with many members. Just because one person sowed the seed, they don't mean you have to water it and keep drowning it. You water it enough to where that's it. You know the Lord will do the rest. He'll send who he'll send, use wisdom.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and you know I keep saying the church is lacking this or lacking this. The church is still in the infant stage. To me it sounds like it We've not even grown up. You know that goes back to the scripture. You know few are called. You know many are called but few are chosen. You know who are the chosen? It's the ones that's got that wisdom and that understanding to understand the love of god.
Speaker 2:like he was talking about wisdom yes, you, in your you don't know, like a lot of the girls that I would minister to, I know that one of them was abused and had a baby by the age of 14 and tried to go to her parents and talk to them about it and they put it on her. You know, sometimes we make mistakes like that and we people are so wounded. There's stuff that goes on behind doors you don't even know about and if someone comes to you, uh, you need to be prepared and prayed up. Uh, you was talking about that one time. Uh, well, when I, when I gave my life to the lord and when I went to work, I loved my job and I loved going to work and doing that job, but all of a sudden, everything changed.
Speaker 2:It was like every time I turned around it was something, especially from this one particular woman. And one day, you know whether I I would fast and pray, fast and pray for her and I'd forgive her and forgive her, and she would just say such devastating, hurting things to me. And she went that way. I worked in a factory with her before and I could not figure out what happened. So one day she come to me and she said Debbie, I got to talk to you. I said give me a minute. I just wanted a second to pray, but I was turning around taking my purse off my shoulder, my lunch bag.
Speaker 3:You should get ready right.
Speaker 2:But what I was doing in my mind is I said God, you're going to have to help me Now there's a way to lay hands on people. But it's not coming to my mind right now.
Speaker 3:Hey, we've all been there. Come into my mind right now hey, we've all been there.
Speaker 2:I know I have. Oh, I'm going to have to lay this woman out. And I said I don't want to do that. So I set my bags down. I turned around. I said okay, what is it? She started crying. She said Debbie. Wow. Well, listen, let me go back a little bit.
Speaker 2:The Lord had asked me, made me go and ask her to forgive me, when I hadn't done nothing to her. I argued from eight o'clock in the morning till 12 o'clock and I said I never would argue with the Lord, but I did about this. Okay. So I got up and when I got up, trying to walk over to her desk to ask her to forgive me, my feet felt like they had 40 pounds of lead in on my hands, did I was so hard walking over there and I? I said um, I said I don't know what I have done to you, but I want you to forgive me. She, she Turn around and look at me. She said well, I forgive you, shut up and go back to your desk. That scared me because I know the Lord made me do that and I was afraid what was going to happen to her. And I just looked at her and I called her by name and I said you look like you're a miserable person inside. You just look like you're miserable and your family looks like they're miserable. I said you don't have to go to church where I go, but you need to go somewhere and you need to find God so you can find peace and your family can have peace. And I walked off crying and so then she came to me that morning and she said I got to talk to you. She said you know, I didn't know the Holy Ghost was in a Baptist church, but I just looked at her kind of funny. And she said they was one of my friends just kept bugging me and bugging me and bugging me to go to her church. So to get her off my back, I went to church Sunday.
Speaker 2:She said Debbie, I felt like I was terrified. She said I was so scared. She said my heart was beating on my chest from the time I walked through that door. She said I was panicked and she said my heart was beating out of my chest from the time I walked through that door. She said I was panicked and I wanted to get up and run out. And she said I realized I was under conviction. I was going to say that's conviction, she said when they gave the invitation.
Speaker 2:She said I ran to that altar. I fell over the altar and she said Debbie, when I raised up I saw you sitting there with tears in your eyes asking me to forgive you. She said you followed me around. She said I know you're going to think I'm crazy, she said, but at the table you sat beside me, pat. Please forgive me. Pat, please forgive me. I didn't mean to say her name, but anyway I didn't mean to say her name, but anyway I told her. I said you know, pat, I forgive you at everything you've done so I could pray for you. She said I want to tell you what happened, she said, because I know you didn't understand. She said when you gave your life to the Lord.
Speaker 2:She said you walked through that door that morning at work and she said the devil told me. And she said I know very well, it was satan talking to me. She said he told me that you were saved and you was going to be a great threat to his kingdom. He made a deal with me that if I would do everything I could do to run you out of here, that he would bring my whole family in and that me and my family would be running this business. And she said, as you can see, my husband's here, my daughters are here, my son-in-laws she said their whole family's here. And she said but she said that's what happened. And she said I was so stupid for making some kind of deal like that. And she said I very well know it was Satan.
Speaker 1:Well, you caught it, they were all miserable. Yeah, they were there, yeah, but they were all miserable, like you said. Wow.
Speaker 2:And you know that If I hadn't forgiven her, if I'd got heart in my heart, if I had not prayed for her and the Lord hadn't dealt with her, they might have been a whole bunch of people, because you can be saved and you can lead one person to the Lord. That's it. I told them, girls in jail, one time. I said don't feel like you're insignificant, you're just one person. I said King David was one person. I said Billy Graham was one person. And all that person did was lead Billy Graham to the Lord.
Speaker 2:I said but look at those multitudes of people. When he would give an altar call, that would come forward. I said God may just give you a ministry of kindness, just being kind to people. You may be clothing people, you may be feeding people, you may be a minister, you might be a prophet, but you need to seek the baptism of the Holy Ghost.
Speaker 2:It's not just for people in Pentecostal churches, it's not just for the holiness, it's not just for the churches that do have the baptism of the Holy Ghost openly and speak in tongues, because there's plenty of Baptist people that I know that has the baptism of the Holy Ghost. But when you receive that, then you're open to the baptism of the holy ghost, but when you receive that, then you're open to the gifts of the spirit, right, and then you can operate in the gifts of the spirit and at different levels. But you got an enemy coming up against you. Oh yeah, and you have to know and I just want to encourage people, anybody you know that's serving god and that's stepping out for God pray for them, fast and pray for them, because they have an enemy coming up against them and if God has a great work for them to do, they're going to have a battle.
Speaker 3:You've got to have the Holy Ghost. You've got to have that armor of God. You sure do, because if you don't, you're going to fall. You know I'll be the holy ghost, it's. You gotta have that armor of god, because if you don't, you're gonna fall you know, I'll.
Speaker 3:I'll be the first one to tell you there had been many a times that I did not put on my armor, I didn't exercise, you know, the armor of god, and what happened? I failed. What happened is I walked away from god, but it was through. You know, god had stuck with me and one night he come back into my room and he, you know he, he sent a word and you know, and when he sent that word to me, that's when I, you know, I, give my heart back to god. But if, if, I had just kept that armor of god on, yeah, you know, day and night, you, when we're asleep, you know that armor don't leave you, but you got to keep it on you at all times.
Speaker 2:You know, when you receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost, then you're open for the gifts and God. I told the Lord. I said I'm 43 years old and I don't know. I know just a little bit. If you're filled with the Holy Ghost, you speak in tongues. That's all I know.
Speaker 3:Well, that's all it's ever taught or that's all it's ever mocked. Yes, because people don't understand that there's more involved with the Holy Spirit. You know the Word was sent forth at the beginning of creation. It was the Holy Spirit that went out, you know, with the life. You know it's, it's, it's part of the Godhead. You know God, the father, god the son and God, the Holy spirit.
Speaker 3:And you know we just think it's a shout, but it's more than just the shout. He's the schoolmaster, he's the teacher. You know, he's the friend. You know, know that'll stick closer than a brother. He's the comforter. You know there are many a times in my life I wish I had a comforter and I did. I never exercised that comfort. Part of the holy spirit. There's more than just a shout and speaking in tongues and don't get me wrong, I could shout with the best and run with the pews and I have, you know. But I have found more in my walk in these last two years. I want more than just a shout. See, without the Holy Spirit I can't get behind this mic. That's right. See the Holy Spirit's working in me, through me. I'm just a vessel and see, that's where we need to realize we don't control the Holy Spirit. That's right. Yeah, we can ask the Holy Spirit and we can say Holy Spirit, go here, do this, do that. If it's the will of the Father, he'll do it, but we don't command.
Speaker 1:Yes, people won't let it have its way.
Speaker 3:Yes, and the way of the Holy Spirit is the way of God.
Speaker 1:It's not our way, it's not our goals, it's his way.
Speaker 2:You know, I've seen the power of God start moving really great in a worship service and I've seen a pastor jump up in the middle of it and say, all right, it's time for the work and shut it down. Shut it down, oh, get out there.
Speaker 3:That's lack of wisdom, that's quenching the Holy Spirit. Yes, have I done it? Yes, yes, I'm going to be the first one to tell you I'm always going to do that. I've quenched the Holy Spirit and I regretted it and I've seen it done. It took me seeing somebody else do it for me to realize. I apologize, Lord.
Speaker 2:Okay, let me. I hadn't planned on this, but when I was talking about when I weighed 75 pounds, I couldn't breathe and eat and stuff, and I kept hearing something in my kitchen. It would go tap, tap, tap, tap, tap across the floor and I thought it was a mouse or a rat or something. I put out traps. I do everything. I couldn't catch nothing. And so one night I said, well, I'm going to lay down in the bed with a flashlight and when I hear it come across the floor I'm going to jump up and turn the flashlight on because, who knows, this is an old house, it could be a snake.
Speaker 2:You never know, and so I heard it and I grabbed my flashlight after another pillow and turned around and looked and there was a spirit in that kitchen. Now my grandmother wore the headscarves and this had a headscarf on and it come across the floor. And it was coming across the floor, it was making that tap, tap, tap, tap noise and it had two plates in its hand and, like I say, I couldn't breathe and eat. I was basically starving and I think that was coming with some kind of temptation. But I jumped up and screamed and I said no, I don't want nothing, nothing you got. And it just disappeared.
Speaker 2:Well, when I laid down, I heard the sweetest voice, the most kindest voice, start speaking to me and it said Debbie, honey, he said you're living in hell on earth. He said your life is never gonna get any better and, as you've known your whole life, nobody loves you and nobody cares for you, and that's the way it's going to be. He said but, honey, listen to me. He said I'm right here beside you and he said why don't you just put that pillow over your head? He said you can't breathe anyway and in a few minutes this hell will be over and I'll be right here to make that journey with you. I knew it was not God talking to me, I knew it was the devil talking to me and I realized right there that my sickness and everything I was going through was a demonic attack. So I said no, I don't want you, I'm never going to have you. I said God, help me now. And when I said that and really I was very sick and I honestly don't know if it was demonic possession that was making me sick. I really don't know, because this is what happened it sounded like a nest of bees went off in my head and I saw flashes of light just start streaming everywhere and I felt like I was going to die. I felt like that. I was literally going to die. I was panicked and I was like God, help me, god help me, god, help me. And I was saying it every breath until it was over.
Speaker 2:Well, that was the spirit of suicide and I realized when the things that this spirit was saying nobody loves you and all these things it said I realized that that spirit had been moving through my whole life, through my whole life to lead up to that point. And then the next day I walked out on my front porch and there was some of my dad's friends that had got saved and they used to come to the house and play cards and drink with dad, but they gave their life to the Lord and they went by me in a pickup truck and they turned around and came back and they said there's a homecoming going on and this is actually the church the Lord sent me to, that I gave in my testimony there and they said there's a homecoming. And they said Debbie. He said God spoke homecoming. And they said debbie.
Speaker 2:He said god spoke to us and told us to come back and take you to church tonight. He said now we only got a pickup truck with just like one seat. He said so we can't take your kids. He said please come, try to get somebody to watch your kids, but you've got to go to church tonight. So, like I say, I weighed 74 pounds but at that point the stress was not so bad and I could breathe and eat and everything. I was coming back normal. And when I went to church that night and I had heard people talk about the fire of God. I went to church that night and I had heard people talk about the fire of God and to me when they was talking about the fire. I was thinking about people being filled with the Holy Ghost and laying hands on people and then being healed and stuff.
Speaker 2:That was my thinking that that was just the fire they was talking about about. So when they gave the altar call and stuff, I looked around. It looked like that the seats were so close together that I couldn't squeeze out and there was a man and woman that had bought me sitting there and I thought, well, I'll be right up in his face if I try to go out. I said, well, I'll just pray right here. So I lifted my hands and I said God, I said I'm dying slowly and I said you've got to help me, because if I die, he will not teach my kids about you. And I felt a fire come from the top of my hands, go all the way down my body, and it scared me because I didn't know nothing about it. And so I jumped and I put my hands down and I was shaking. I said what was that? And he turned my head toward those people and he said ask them, but instead of asking them or asking them to move, and let me go up front, because for the first time I was seeing what I wanted to see. I was seeing people baptized with the Holy Ghost, I was seeing them dance in the Spirit. I was seeing them drunk in the Spirit. I was seeing them laid in the Spirit. They were dancing in the Spirit. That's what I wanted to see what it was like to be in a service where the power of God moves.
Speaker 2:So I raised my hands and the heat come back over me and it scared me again. So I, when I put my hands down, it was like backing away from it. So I had to take the long way around to be healed. Um, I was having bad anxiety attacks. I couldn't travel in a car because it looked like somebody was going to hit us head on. It just looked like the cars would be coming right at me. So when I traveled, I'd have to look out the window, I'd have to look at a book or a newspaper or something, and God healed me of that. He bought me a very long way, but in everything that I went through, I can use that to help somebody else.
Speaker 3:Yes, definitely, definitely.
Speaker 2:I asked the Lord one time. I said why have I had to be sometimes not hardly have any clothes, why sometimes I not have any food? Why did I go through this abuse and why did I do this? And he reminded me when I was young, there was a friend of mine that her husband was abusing her and I said why don't somebody help her? And they said it's her own fault. She can leave anytime she wants to. Well, no, you can't. If you've got children, you feel like you've got to fight for your marriage and for the children. Right. But he said if you had never been hungry, you wouldn't want to feed nobody. He said if you had never been naked, you wouldn't want to clothe nobody. He said if you had never been through what you've been through, you would have no compassion.
Speaker 3:He said that's the way people are. That's why Christ had to go through what he did, because he experienced everything that we are going through, but his was without sin. Yes, you have an awesome testimony. Yeah, I related a lot to it, you know, with my childhood and, uh, I appreciate that I really do. That was an awesome testimony. Um, I see you closed your book up already yeah, yeah, I just gave the testimony about that.
Speaker 2:That was awesome.
Speaker 3:It really is.
Speaker 1:Thank you very much for sharing that with us.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and if you guys want to look her up on Facebook, I'll have her. Her name's Debbie King. I'll have her information on the webpage and we'll tag you in it and all of that, all that good stuff, and you got anything else you want to end with well, um, I you know, god gave me a vision of him pouring out his spirit, but that's for a different testimony I just like to say I've been in the coronation room of the king in heaven.
Speaker 2:I've been standing in heaven in wheat fields that look like gold. I have saw the armor of God that we're coming back in.
Speaker 3:Awesome visions.
Speaker 2:Yes, the Lord has showed me him pouring out his spirit on earth, but he also showed me where he bought me from, because I had a little sarcastic remark about somebody else and I thank.
Speaker 3:God that he did, because it opened my eyes. I love how the Lord just says you know I would look at somebody and the Lord says, james, just remember where you came from. Yes, we've all sinned, we've all fallen short of the glory of God. James, a little bit of compassion, a little bit of love goes a long way.
Speaker 2:And we've got a great deceiver out there.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Like I said, that voice was real kind and real sweet and it was trying to get me to commit suicide.
Speaker 3:You know he's got an opposite. For everything that God's got, what is love, he's got hate. You know, god, there's two different types of fear in this world. Yes, there's the fear of man and there's the fear of God. There's two different types of fire. He was talking about the fire of God. One purges us of all of our sins. The other one will burn us for eternity. If you're not saved, you don't know the Lord. I pray earnestly with my heart that wherever you're sitting at a park bench in your car, you're in a grocery store and you're listening to this in your you know, on your earbuds or your wherever, whatever you're doing, just just call upon the name of the Lord and he says he'll save you. It's scripture. We're begotten by the word. We're saved by the word. We're given life through the word of God. That's how we get our healing.
Speaker 2:This is the way I would give the altar call in when I was at the jail.
Speaker 2:I said you believe jesus christ was the son of god. It's very simple to be saved and the devil complicates it. But if you believe jesus christ was the son of god, he died on the cross. He is with god in heaven. Bible says confess that with your mouth. And you know what? If you don't know and if you're not for sure, it's okay to say if you're real or I'm not sure, it's okay. God wants you to be honest because he searches your heart and it's no sense in lying to him.
Speaker 3:When I got saved in 96, I knew nothing about the cross, I knew nothing about salvation. I knew probably one or two Bible stories and I didn't even know them to the fullness. I might have known maybe one little passage or understood just a hair of it. But I said, lord, forgive me. And I was in that little two-bedroom trailer and I knelt down and prayed that night and the Lord come into my heart that night and saved me. And I know that as I grew, grew in the lord. I love the lord. I don't think I can never say enough amen.
Speaker 2:You just gotta ask jesus to come into your heart and forgive you of your sins. But you gotta have faith right because the enemy will absolutely try to make you feel like you're not saved right and some people think they have to have this big feeling. You know, something's just just going to come over you.
Speaker 3:It may or may not happen. Some people it does.
Speaker 2:I saw a woman a week before last. Three women come up, well, two women and one of them's son come up and pray, give their life to the Lord. And as soon as that prayer came out of that woman's mouth, she received the baptism of the Holy Ghost. She's a-falling all over the place, shouting, speaking in tongues, and I said, lord, that one's even a redhead. I said you already got the fire in her, but you know what that compels me to pray and pray and pray for that woman.
Speaker 3:Right? Well, Sister Deb, I want to ask you to lead us in prayer. Well, I'd like to say something.
Speaker 1:No, go ahead Again. Thank you for your testimony. I know somebody needed to hear that. I know I did Somebody that is. You know we never know what's going on in people's homes. Well, I struggle with that too.
Speaker 3:I think people need to relate.
Speaker 1:And so what I would like to say out there to the people that's listening you know what, If you are struggling and you're living this kind of life and you want prayer and you want help, you know what. Get a hold of one of us, all three of us. We've all experienced things. I've not been in abuse, but I've been in drugs and drinking and all kinds of craziness.
Speaker 1:I think we can lead you to somebody that can help you Prayer People, we can pray, we can call your name out to the Lord, because that's all he said is take your burdens to him and leave them there. And if you anybody out there that needs any kind of prayer, any kind of prayer for that you know what your story will go no further than us Trust me yes.
Speaker 1:It'll be between us and the Lord and you, and that is it. You don't even have to give names whatever. Contact us, let us know. Hey, I need a prayer, I'm living this, I am, you know whatever. Anyway, I just want to let people know that, that we're here, and if you need prayer, feel free to contact us in any way.
Speaker 2:They have places now and if you're in severe abuse and you're afraid, they have, uh, women's shelters, that you can go to, that, have security and they will help you, step by step, get on your feet, because when you're through that you're your mind's messed up, your your spirits in turmoil, you just don't know what to do right?
Speaker 3:yes, it's absolutely true. My mom was part of those ministries. You know that helped, uh, battered women, abusive women, I mean just uh, people didn't have homes. You know, I watched my. They're out there. They're out there and you can find them pretty easy. And especially if you're in an abusive relationship, um, we've been hit before, you know. You know from from an abusive spouse in our home. You know they didn't know where we was at. You know there's programs out there that can help you. You'd be surprised you want to go ahead and end this. You got any more to say?
Speaker 1:No, I just wanted to get that.
Speaker 3:I want to let Sister Deb she's going to end us in prayer.
Speaker 1:Our Father, god in heaven. We thank you so much for this day and your presence here and now in our lives. We thank you, Lord, for this beautiful day that you've created and letting us gather here today. We thank you for this testimony that we know has to go somewhere. Somebody needs to hear that and, lord, we ask you just to let those that needed to hear that let them hear it. Let them hear it, let them understand it, let it get in their hearts and let them know that you're there. Let them just reach out to you and let them feel your spirit. Lord, we thank you for each and every blessing. We thank you for giving your son to die on the cross so we can live. We just praise you, honor you and we love you. Lord, we praise you. We thank you for everything. We ask these and all things. In Jesus' holy name, we pray, amen, amen.
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