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Georgina Perkins' Testimony: Embracing Faith and Resilience in the Face of Cancer's Trials
What happens when you discover a life-altering diagnosis? On this episode of the 421 Show, meet Georgina Perkins, a woman whose faith became her anchor in the storm of cancer. After finding a lump in her breast in July 2023, Georgina was diagnosed with invasive ductal carcinoma, a journey that tested her resilience and deepened her spiritual beliefs. Georgina shares her profound insights and the comfort she found in the biblical story of Esther, revealing how spiritual simplicity became her armor through grueling treatments and uncertain times.
We explore how unexpected challenges can become instruments for spiritual growth and community strength. Georgina recounts vivid dreams and divine assurances that guided her through her medical journey, offering a beacon of hope not only for herself but for others facing similar trials. This episode highlights the power of faith, resilience, and the importance of embracing a mindset of peace amidst adversity. Georgina’s story embodies the belief that our struggles can serve a higher purpose, encouraging us to trust in something greater than ourselves.
Listeners are invited to reflect on the importance of community and spiritual endurance in times of uncertainty. From navigating personal battles with chemotherapy to addressing the global challenges we all face, this conversation emphasizes the transformative power of faith and support. We conclude with insights on spreading hope and love through small acts of kindness, reminding us all that while life’s challenges may be daunting, they are ultimately within divine hands. Join us as we journey through stories of strength, faith, and the healing power of community.
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Speaker 2:You did.
Speaker 1:Good Praise the Lord. Well, at your dime, go ahead.
Speaker 2:Well, first off, thanks for having me. I wasn't going to do this. Actually, I prayed about it and my nerves are destroyed right now, but I feel like people need to know kind of what I've went through the last year. On July 1st of 2023, I found a lump on my breast and on the 5th of July I went to the doctor and then it was like every Tuesday after that it was mammogram, ultrasound, biopsy and then on the 27th of July it was a diagnosis of invasive ductal carcinoma and it was stage 2 already and it was just little. It was like the size of the tip of your pinky and it was HER2 positive, which is very dangerous Because if it gets more of the HER2, it's I mean, it can, it can be really bad. But as I'm going through all this process with my cancer you know surgery I had four rounds of chemo, 20 radiations.
Speaker 2:I got to thinking about since 2017, the Lord gave me a word. Like every year he would give me a word, but in 2022 and 2023, he didn't give me a word and I always wondered about that. But as I was going through my process and that is one of my words of cancer right I was like I told somebody. I said well, you know, it's just a process, you have to go through this. And I thought you know, wait a minute, that's one of the words that the lord had gave me, and that was back in 2018. Um, I even wrote it down that way I would remember. Um, you know that we do. Everything that we go through is a process, from going to church, getting up in the morning.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:You have a routine. That's actually a process.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:So but the first word that he gave me and it kind of throwed me off was adorn. You know, I was like the first time he ever gave me a word, it was the word adorn. I'm like Lord, adorn, really, what is this? And it kind of he took me to the book of Esther and there's several things that we're supposed to adorn ourselves with, and then so I got into the study of the word of adorn. You know, esther could have had anything.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And they go. They went through a process of getting their self ready to meet the king.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Okay, At the end of all this process she got to go in and pick out whatever she wanted.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Jewelry clothing. But yet she chose the most simplest dress and the most simplest necklace. Wow, and you know, that's how we're supposed to be.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:But we let the world throw so much on us that and we try to wear it and it's not meant for us to wear. We're supposed to like in Galatians, we're supposed to wear the fruit of the Spirit, Right, you know? And in studying the fruit of the Spirit from this, it's amazing how you can go from thinking, well, I have no patience to going through chemo, and you're just as patient as I'll get out.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Going from worry and anxiety and just feeling like you're in the calmest, most peacefulest place you've ever been in your life, spiritually talking. My doctors and all of them, they just didn't know what to think of me. I had my second dose of chemo. I had a reaction. It felt like my heart was just starting. It just started like heating up from my chest out and they were all busy.
Speaker 3:but I had a buzzer.
Speaker 2:I'm not the type of person to hit that buzzer. I just can't, I just can't do it. No, I just. I mean, they're busy. They were in the middle of something and I know if I hit that buzzer, everybody in that place was going to come to me.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And I just, I'm not. I'm just not that type of person, I just and I got jumped on too for that.
Speaker 1:I would say yeah, because that's their duty, that's what they get called to, it's their job. I think a lot of times too, if we really think about it, we look at the lord that way too. Yes, and and I know I have you're talking about, you know, esther, you know picking the simplest things. You know to adorn herself, and you know I, I see humility in that and that lord's been teaching me here just the last, you know, a few weeks a month. You know about humility.
Speaker 2:You know you know being as humble as I possibly can, right I mean, you know, the Bible tells us to think less of us.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:You know, not to think more of ourselves than we should.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:I mean, I am the least person. That was one of the reasons I was like well, I ain't doing that show. I mean, who am I to be in there talking?
Speaker 1:You know a lot of people when they share their testimonies, they don't feel that they have this you. You know a lot of people when they share their testimonies, they don't feel that they have this. You don't have to have this A-plus testimony. It's all A-plus, you know, from a little child all the way up to your 110. You know your testimony is precious, you know it's what you went through and I guarantee you there's somebody out there going through it and then we should. You know, and I commend you for coming in today.
Speaker 2:Listen, I was up working on my son's house and I was doing really fine and then all of a sudden my stomach started bothering me and then I got to realize, and I was thinking about having to come down here and thinking about everything, but I mean it's just, he just is, I is, I'm just so.
Speaker 3:So can I ask you a question? Yeah, were you scared? No, not at all.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 3:And I can tell you look like you're that time Now me, I'd have been scared to death, even calling on the Lord, I know me. I would have been scared to death, but you know, the enemy works on me with fear anyway. But I can look at you and tell the way you talk about it, because I would be tearing up. Well, you know, because that's just me. I'm a crybaby, I'm an old crybaby and it would bother me. I would have been scared to death.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, I've run into a lot of people. Even the doctors were like now you'll probably stress, and I'm like, yeah, that's not me. I said I'm a get her done. I can tell we got you. Okay, this is going on, let's get it done, let's get it fixed, let's get it done. I'm a fixer, let's fix it right. If you got something going on with you and you come to me and you say, hey, um, you know, I can I talk to you, I'm like let's sit and talk, right, you I might not have your answer, but you know, maybe just you relieving yourself of what's going on and getting a little bit of just advice. I can't say I have sage advice, because some of my advice is kind of silly.
Speaker 1:I understand that.
Speaker 2:So, but no, so I said my diagnosis, you know, was on the 27th. Well, on the 25th I see, yeah, the 25th is when I had my biopsy done. Well, that night, after I went home, I went, you know, they told me to go home and go to bed. So I did. Well, I dreamed and I thought, okay, well, this is just a crazy dream, but it was like the Lord. It was like I was talking to doctors and they was telling me everything that I was going to go through and everything like this in a dream. Well, my dream went exactly the way the Lord showed me. I mean, that's why my chemo went. I mean, the day that my chemo was, everything was exactly the way it was showed in that dream.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Which just you know. And in the dream, at the end of the dream, I was like well, you know, this can't be of the Lord. And the Lord said yeah, this is of me. He said, but this ain't for you, he told me. He said what you're fixing to go through is not for you. Wow, he said it's going to be for other people. And I'm thinking what? Okay, right, and that's one of the things, if you're telling the Lord and I'm a big person and I've told him this, lord, use me.
Speaker 2:However you want to use me, right, make sure you really mean that yeah um, because I feel like, because I've said that and I've asked for that, I think that's one of the reasons that you know this process, that I've had to go through um and I'm still having to go through it. I mean it's it's still five more years out before everything's done you know, laz Lazarus had to die.
Speaker 1:Right, I mean that's crazy. I mean, if you really think about it.
Speaker 2:It is yeah, but like I was talking about, you know, he gave me all these words and when I look back on them, you know everything that I studied prepared me for this moment, and I'm a big believer in the Lord will prepare you for such times as this and like fruits of the Spirit put on the armor of God, I would take my Bible with me, but the devil would hinder me while I was there and because I didn't have a port, so they had to put it. They couldn't put it the IV anywhere other than we're in the bend of this arm, because I couldn't have anything done in my left arm. So that's the page, that's my dominant hand, and I couldn't do anything but sit there Like I tried to. I tried to pull my Bible out and read it and it was just like I can't turn it. You know, I couldn't move my arm to do anything.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:So it was kind of, you know, that kind of hindered. But you know, I I just sit and paid attention to other people, took a nap. But um, I think I amazed the doctors, because I've had like several doctors. You know they'll all say now you'll probably be anxious, and I'm like no, and they're like, well, you know, you're probably going to worry. No, lord told me not to that he had me, that it wasn't for me.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:So and that everything was going to be okay. So why would I worry about it? And and you know, and that's people need to think about this worry is of the devil. Worry is not something that is of god, right. So worry is something that the devil attaches to you and adorns you with that you don't have to carry. That's something that's an adornment that the world puts on us, that we kind of put on ourselves, and it's, and it's hard. I tell my daughter, I'll tell her, I'll say you know, quit worrying about this, stop worrying. And she's like Mom, you say that, but you know you can't. And I'm like, well, you know, I guess I understand, but one of the so adornment implies enhancing the beauty of something that's inside, something that's what an adornment is is to enhance the beauty of something inside. So enhance God in yourself and let God's light shine through you. That is the best adornment you can put on. Is the light of God, right? Wow, so.
Speaker 1:But I mean that's awesome.
Speaker 2:And then in 2019, my word was faithfulness, and it's a twofold faithfulness is it's you have to have faith and believe, but you also have to do in God's faithfulness. You have to work and minister in knowing that God is just as faithful. If you're faithful Right and I found that you know I'm like he's been faithful for me through I mean, I worked all through my chemo. There was days that I just couldn't like my everything would bottom out. I couldn't even get it. I couldn't even help my head up.
Speaker 1:I commend you for that, because I watched my mom go through the cancer and through the treatments and all that and it drained her and she was a workaholic. You know she was the go-getter getter, getter, getter. But it just literally just put her in the bed.
Speaker 2:I think it could have done me that way, but I wouldn't want to let it.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And that's another. You know, I'm just a weird person, I guess no.
Speaker 1:I think people need to hear that, though, because the strength does lie inside of us.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:We've just got to grab a hold of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, You've got to say I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:You've got to push yourself, and I kind of feel like I did push myself. I would go and do so. I'd drive three hours to Knoxville. Um, I would go and do so.
Speaker 2:I'd drive three hours to knoxville, be there all day just about it, I mean be there early in the morning and get hot get back home and work a four-hour shift, right, or a full shift of work, uh, on that day, and then work the next day. And then go out on saturday and work at my son's place hanging sheetrock, um, and, and then Sunday I start feeling it.
Speaker 1:Right, but you know that's a testament. You know because of the word, because Paul says to encourage ourselves. You know for you to say tell yourself you know, get up, you got to do this. You can't lay down because you know, if you lay down, what's going to happen.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, there's no way I would have. I mean, I wouldn't be able to do and move today and I don't move very well. It's like I lost, it's like it zapped every bit of strength. I can't even pull myself up Like walking, like stepping up a step. You know how you have to use your own strength to get up that step. It's hard.
Speaker 1:Even after my heart attack that I had, I still feel the strength inside of me, but when I go to move it's not there. Yeah, it's just like I had to force myself because I know if I lay down, that's going to be the end of me. I'm just going to be. You know, I'm going to shrivel up like a prune. And it's just the truth. It is, yeah and it's just the truth it is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I get so frustrated with myself I can't even get out of bed right like because it takes your stomach, muscles and stuff to be able to sit up, you know, and I can't. He laughs, dole laughs at me. He thinks that's the funniest thing in the world when I'm struggling to try to get out of the bed, like what's wrong with you? So, but, and then the last, in 2020, and this was the crazy one he gave me the word travel and I'm thinking everything shut down Right, and I'm thinking travel. Lord, I said in March, everything. You couldn't even travel at all.
Speaker 2:Right couldn't even travel at all, right, um. But you know, and he got, he went, kind of went to um oh um. It's like a light in a path, you know. Well, I'll just read what I wrote. I mean because, for me to actually be able to, he said god shows us a path and even lights the way for us, but yet it's still up to us to travel the path right um, that's set before us and we can all say, when you know, god set us this path.
Speaker 2:But until you actually start traveling that path you're not doing god's will, and the day and when you start it, you'll know it because the devil will throw up every roadblock possible. And I thought, you know, I thought, ok, you know, you know, I thought I understood what this meant. I have done more traveling since I've been sick. I've been to more places since I found out I had cancer. I had September, I would say August 30th, I had my surgery and that was on Wednesday. On Friday I went to Michigan, wow, wow, after my first chemo treatment, that was on a Thursday. That Friday, saturday, I went. I ended up in North Carolina, wow, I mean. And I went to a funeral up in Michigan and I got so tickled at my mom we was talking to it was my cousin's mom that he had passed away and she says oh, if I'd have just had surgery there, ain't no way I'd have been traveling. My mom goes well, she's tougher than you and I was like mom, you can't be telling stuff like that.
Speaker 1:See, that's what the world needs to hear, is that that strength lies in us, that we don't need to give up, because I think that's what's wrong with a lot. I mean, there's a lot wrong with the church today, and the more the Lord shows me and I realize it. But you know, I think the church is sitting down and they're giving up, oh yeah, and the Lord's saying, no, it's not time yet I've not come back. It's not time to rest.
Speaker 2:Right, you know what is it. Revelations 3 and 10 says if you stay with me to the end, I will keep you from the hour of temptation that I will put on the earth. Right, I temptation that will that I will put on the earth.
Speaker 1:Right, um, I think it's coming, but yeah, I don't think we're there yet. No, and I think that you know, and and I keep feeling in my spirit, you know, you know we've heard it in our church. You know there's and we're seeing the evidence, you know, slowly, gradually, but you know, a spiritual outbreak. You know in the body of the church it's, and people are starting to come together that normally don't. You know they're good in Christ. You know they're, they're, they're part of the body, but we're, we're watching from all over to start to come together.
Speaker 1:You know, and I believe the Lord is telling us, and I believe he's telling us through your testimony, you know it's not even though we were seeing all this turmoil and tragedy. You know we're in the brink of war. You know turmoil and tragedy. You know we're in the brink of war. You know actual world war three and you know not to like. You know we'll say like scare anybody as far as that goes, but in reality we are. You know those wars and rumors of wars are here and you know we have china now involved with the ukraine war, I mean.
Speaker 1:And if you look at any of the past wars, you know that's how usually history starts. You know the great depression. You know, I mean, just do your math and uh, it's coming and and yeah, we were. It may feel like we're about to end up. You know, I think it was. I was sitting on the porch last night and I took my dog outside and I was like lord, I think I'm just gonna give up on humanity, but Lord's telling me don't give up yet. There's still hope, as long as there's hope and there's breath in life. You know, and there's, and I love your testimony, I do.
Speaker 2:It's just, it's just there.
Speaker 3:I love your strength. I can just see it radiating off you. I can see the strength. Well, that strength comes from God. But I'm just saying though you, you know, I can see it, in other words, what? I'm saying is you know when people used to walk down the street and you see people, man, just dragging, and I've seen people drag in church and sit down and I've probably done it myself. But I can see the strength of, we'll say, the strength of God. I can see it coming off.
Speaker 2:I wish I could get to the point, though, that when somebody says, well, how are you doing, I'm blessed and highly favored, I wish I could just say that and say I am, I'm in pain today, or you know, I still have that. That I need to break of saying but I mean mean, I don't think I missed, except for like a wednesday night, and I also work night shift, so, you know, half time I I'm not able to be right, um, usually I I'm on lunch, um, but uh, I didn't miss a single service. I don't think through all the. I mean man, I hurt on Sunday mornings. I hurt bad, because there was a shot that they would give me that went off the next day after my chemo, that they put on me, and it would go off like at 8 o'clock the next night and it was to put stuff back in my bones. That is the most painful thing that I think I've ever endured.
Speaker 1:I can't remember the medicine that my mom took. I just know they called it Diablo.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, she had maybe like a red devil chemo.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the red devil chemo, and one of the nurses called it Diablo or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And she screamed. Yeah, I would listen to her at night and one of the nurses called it Diablo or something and she screamed yeah, I would listen to her at night, you know, in the pain and agony, and listen to a woman that you know would fight a bear.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, just all of a sudden get bedridden and just it's like they lost hope. You know.
Speaker 2:I watched my mom go through breast cancer. Her cancer was not actually it was. Luckily it was where it was at, but from what I understand it could have been anywhere in her body and she was hurting so bad one day and she just hurt 80. And this was about I think it was about seven years ago that she went through it. And one thing that stood out to me was she actually told me. She said I need you to come pray for me. So I said okay, mom, I'll come pray for you.
Speaker 2:I was just sitting on the couch. I said I'll come over and pray for you. She says I hurt so bad. She says, but when I think of what my Lord went through for me, she says it don't compare to that. And I thought you know to me that was one of the best things that I think I've ever heard my mom say was how much you know and it's true, we think about what Jesus went through for us and you know what I'm going through can't even compare to what he went through. Not even you know an ounce. No, I mean.
Speaker 1:He went, he took your cancer.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Those pains and agonies and resentment and grit and doubt and all that, and he took it and he laid it on his shoulders. That's what amazes me. It's just not me, it's you know, it's our brothers and sisters in the world, it's the whole entire world. He took all of our troubles and he literally laid it on and then, on one hand, I'll turn around and I wonder what hell's going to be like. All of that's going to be resting up on you in hell, but you could have had it taken away.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, just that thought was amazing.
Speaker 1:That's just mind-boggling. Be truthful, right.
Speaker 2:I know one of my favorite scriptures that I found while I was going through cancer, and I don't know how many times I've read through my Bible and you find something new every time you read through it.
Speaker 1:Oh, ain't that amazing.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's like. It's like you can start all over again and everything's like new.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like I don't remember it saying this, and where I've been doing a lot of traveling, I've been listening to my Bible in the car and I had to cut it off one day. Because I'm getting off topic. Let me tell you about the scripture that I found. First. It says it's Isaiah 49 and 16. And it says behold, I have graven thee on the palms of my hands and thy walls are continually before me. God has us, wrote in the palms of his hands.
Speaker 2:That's right and he looks at it continually. Wow, so that means me, you Deb. Everybody out there is continually on his mind.
Speaker 1:Amen.
Speaker 2:Like at all times. I mean, when you think about that, I mean I forget things that you know Dole will say well, go do this for me. I'm like, okay, he goes. I forget things that you know Dole will say well, go do this for me. I'm like, okay, he goes. Did you do that for me?
Speaker 1:No, that just tells you how precious that we are in the eyes of the Lord, that he's continuously in his thoughts. Isn't that amazing?
Speaker 2:I mean that blowed me away, right there, oh yeah definitely, and I thought you know, I think that's one of the reasons that I got so peaceful. I always thought I was not a very peaceful person. I used to be a very, very hateful person, and you can ask my sister, she'll tell you I'm still hateful.
Speaker 1:I can relate to that. I've been told I'm very brutish, very outspoken, you know. I mean I've been to that. I've been told I'm very brutish very outspoken, you know.
Speaker 2:I mean, I've been told that I feel like a lot of it's just my tone, yeah.
Speaker 1:Like I'm not. I'm really a lovable person. No, you're hateful. No, I'm not, you know.
Speaker 2:So but I just, I don't know that just gave me like I've heard of a piece that's unsurpassable and you know, you just can't understand it right and I feel like I walked through that when I was going through chemo. I mean, uh, I mean it was just like. It was almost like I was in the fire, because I mean I could feel the heat in my feet.
Speaker 1:It'd be a humbling experience in hands like you could actually I.
Speaker 2:I mean, they stayed on fire Like I have never in my life had that kind of heat in my hands and feet before and I said I feel like I was kind of standing in the fire with the Hebrew boys, but then I knew my Lord was in there with me.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:And it was less like I was content to be in that fire, you know.
Speaker 1:Right, not many people could sit there and say that you know. They felt you know, like the Hebrew boys, because some of us don't go through whatever people go through, and to me that's amazing.
Speaker 2:So I mean, that was a wild experience, mm-hmm, and I don't even know if I can even. I mean to me that's the most justice I can do is I felt like I was on the fire.
Speaker 1:I think there's sometimes that when God does this for us, we don't have words to express what he has done. So we try our best to express it and sometimes all we can do is just raise our hands and you know, and just say thank you, lord, for it all.
Speaker 2:And I'm so thankful that he was there for me and that my church family. I know they prayed for me right um I I could feel their prayers um, and that was. That was a big help. Um, a lot of them didn't even know and I still run into people that, like I didn't know you were sick, and I'm like, well, I wasn't really sick right but yeah well, that could be a testament too, if you look at it.
Speaker 1:You know you kept your demeanor yeah, I'm twisted, but you know you, you kept, you know who you are. You kept it strong and you kept it bright and vibrant. You know, and I I commend you on that. Well, thank you, I do and I.
Speaker 2:I'm just telling y'all, it wasn't nothing that I've done.
Speaker 1:Most people would at all most people like deb was talking about. You know I'll throw the pity party syndrome and that's one of my biggest pet peeves, you know. You know, don't do the pity party. You know you. If you sick, you sick. You need help, hey, I'm there for you, I've been there. But you know, don't do the pity party. You know you, if you say it, you say it. You need help, hey, I'm there for you. I've been there. But you know, don't do the pity party thing, right.
Speaker 2:Well, it says somewhere in the Bible and I'm really bad at knowing scripture and verse Right. But it says somewhere in there that and I think it's talking about fasting I think it's talking about fasting, like when you're fasting, but I feel like I take it to mean everyday life too you wash your face and let people not know what you don't show.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And I kind of feel like—.
Speaker 1:What we do in secret, right, god will reward us openly. That's just not in our tithing, I think that's in, like you just said, in our everyday life that we do with god. If we keep it secret, we keep it private, we don't let our enemy knows what our right hand is doing, and vice versa. God will openly reward us, right? You know, whatever it might be the reward might be, he will reward us and I think that kind of goes back to my raising too.
Speaker 2:I was raised where you know. I guess I was raising that age where you know you just too. I was raised where you know. I guess I was raised in that age where you know you just fall down a hill or something you know, get up, shake it off and go on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, lick your wound and go.
Speaker 2:You know, like you're all right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I definitely was raised that way too. Yeah, you'll be all right. No hospital for you today. Right, you know I got to go. No hospital for you today. Right, you know, I got to go. My arm's old. I remember I was changed the topic but I was in the BMX racing when I was a kid, jumped this ramp. It had to be like 100 foot high. It seemed like you know, as a kid Probably wouldn't three foot off the ground Wrecked. I mean my arm. I was bleeding, I looked like something come off a horror film. Walked into the house, mom, just like you'll be all right, yeah, I'll go. Dad Just pushed me right back outside. It dried up and I was fine.
Speaker 2:I mean, if it ain't broken and you ain't gushing, you'll be all right. Right, you know you'll be all right. I know we used to have an old and I know we're getting off topic but an old sludge pond from a mines, oh yeah, and they'd reclaim the mines and it was the best sled. So I would take something and go to the very top, as far as up as I could, and I'd ride down that hill. Well, I came down that hill one time and, man, I went sliding down right to the pond and right there was.
Speaker 2:I was trying to grab on the grass and, you know know, do dangerous stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So you know do crazy stuff Yep Used to run off the end of the belt line at the mines and jump into the coal pile.
Speaker 1:We always wonder why we get sick and afflictions and all of that. Sometimes I wonder and I was just here thinking about it maybe God's telling us to slow down a little bit, because I still got a little bit of that in me. You know, lord's, like you can't do that, no more, james, you got to calm down. So what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna give you a heart attack, you know. You know, I don't know, but makes you wonder, though sometimes you know well, I'm always doing something I like to be out yeah I like to hike.
Speaker 2:Ain't got to go. I did get to go hiking.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I done the Devil's Bathtub.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:It's like 10 miles. I made eight of it.
Speaker 1:I trained for three years for the AT. Never got to do it though.
Speaker 2:You know long story, but so, and that was this past summer that I got to do that, it was after the chemo.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I didn't think I'd make it. My feet and legs, you know, they just about kill me. There was like five river crossings.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:And we went during the time when the rivers were up, so it was like knee deep, yeah, and then Dolp pushed me down in the river.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:He let go of me like he was helping me get across the river, and let go of me. He's like what are you sitting in the river for? And I'm like you, let me go. You know, and I feel like sometimes you know, we gotta let go of things we do like you gotta. Let be let go of and sit down in that river. You know you've got to.
Speaker 1:You know say hey, you know but also knowing that you're not going to be swept away right you're not going to die because of that river. You know it's like with you know peter walking on the water, you know the enemy under his foot, you know he, he could walk on that water, but don't allow that enemy knowing, if you do sink a little bit, that god the devil's not going to take you, because reason why is because god has us in the palm of his hand, that's exactly right and he'll lift us right back up and we'll walk right back on that water again that's right
Speaker 2:yes, definitely and one of the adornments, um, it had talked about was in first peter um, that I was talking about earlier and he would have talked about. You know, don't let your outward adornments be all there is to you, let your inward adornments and it was talking about like hair and stuff like that, and that was at the time I was thinking I lost my hair you know I watched my mom go through her chemo.
Speaker 1:She lost everything, you know, her hair, and that was like the biggest thing for her was her hair. But it grew back thicker and longer than it was when she had her chemo.
Speaker 2:The Lord knew her heart. Mine's grown back as a like. It's naturally feathered and I'm like people pay big money to have their hair feathered and curly.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And right now mine is curly and feathered.
Speaker 1:You're going back to the good days, the 80s and the 70s.
Speaker 2:If I could just get it to not be flat to my head, I'd be.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:So, but now the Lord has helped me and I mean, I still got things to do. They're fixing to put me on a new it's called a cancer, some kind of a cancer pill to do. They're fixing to put me on a new um, it's called a cancer, some kind of a cancer pill um, and there's a chance that I might lose my hair again with this, but it'll be all right. I still got my wig, I still got my hat, so I just put on my I watched my mom.
Speaker 1:She, she tried the wig thing. It got so frustrating with her. She said they're just gonna have to look at me. She found strength through her chemo because the second time that she, you know, went through the cancer and stuff like that, I've seen a difference in my mom. It's like okay, I'm ready if I live or if I die. If you see me without my hair, so what? Because you know what's it saying ecclesilesiastics, it's all vanity.
Speaker 1:Yes, it's all vanity, you know, good or bad, it's all vanity. So I mean, it's just, she just took it to the point where she says this is it, this is what you get.
Speaker 2:I have all kinds of little hats, so I just got to wear all my little hats, yeah.
Speaker 1:My mom liked wearing the scarves. I think even after her hair grew back she got to the. She just kept wearing her scarves with her hair.
Speaker 2:See, I wear my bandanas. I've wore them my entire life, so it was just like you know, you throw a bandana.
Speaker 3:But you know, when you ain't got no hair.
Speaker 3:it's cold yeah right, and that's how my mom was. She liked her bandanas and I I had taken her, uh, through her chemo she had it was just coming out, I'm just falling. And she was like man, it's just coming out. And so I had taken her to the way that does my hair and I said she said just take it off, so they would only just cut it off. It's falling out anyway. And then I shocked my mom because when she got up I said, well, I'm going to get my trim, get it cut. And I sat down in the chair and I told her.
Speaker 3:I said I want a one all the way around.
Speaker 2:Well, you know what a one is a guard.
Speaker 3:So my mom was like you ain't got to do that. I said, no, I'm with you, I'm on this with you. I'm walking as close to you with this thing as I can, and so I had them to cut my hair. I didn't go all the way Like she went all the way.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:But it was going to happen anyway, and so I'm like, okay, let me see, let me check this out. I said, just take it off, take it down to, let's use a one.
Speaker 2:And my mom was like, well, you might lose it. You know, and I knew God had already told me that I was going to lose it, I didn't realize it was going to go that fast. Like I had my chemo treatment first chemo treatment like on that Thursday, by next Friday it was like my hair was coming out in clumps Like big, oh huge clumps. And it was like my hair was coming out in clumps like big, oh huge clumps and it was leaving. He was leaving bald spots, um, and I dealt with it for friday. I just kind of it started on friday and I just like I had something I had to do that day and I was like it was very important. I had to get up and talk in front of some people and I was like, okay, I'm gonna spray my hair and my sister's. Like your hair, you got all kinds of hairs on you and I'm like don't'm gonna spray my hair and my sister's, like your hair, you got all kinds of hairs on you and I'm like, don't touch it, I should just leave it alone as my hair's coming out. She's like, oh, okay, then that saturday I had to speak again, uh, over at the, over at the graveyard, and, um, I had to wear a hat. I just couldn't as I brushed my hair. It was just right so and I was like, okay, I'll just wear my hat and just leave it.
Speaker 2:You know, sunday came around, it was in my food and I just uh, we come home from church. I told, I told Doyle, I said, um, let's stop by my mom's. And I walked in I said, shave it. And she's like what I'm like, shave it. So my mom, in dual, shaved my hair so and done a good job. So I can honestly say that the Lord gave me the best helpmate in the world. I want to strangle him sometimes, you know, but I couldn't make it without him.
Speaker 3:Right, that's awesome.
Speaker 2:So, but no, I mean the Lord has gave me, I mean, and just think about it, this is just my testimony from 2023. Yeah Right, I mean he's done some crazy things for me. Me and my friend Sherry always go to a ladies retreat up in lexington and we go every year. Uh, we came back from that one year. I mean it was. I mean it was they done, the holies of holies. They set it up and you went through it, um, and we were having at that time, um, it was uh, pastor eric. Pastor Eric Richardson was at our church and I mean I've sat under a couple really, really good pastors and I'm so thankful for Pastor John. He's been wonderful through all of this and it's kind of funny. I feel like the Lord speaks to me. It's like we're here having a conversation. I feel like I hear this conversation in my head at times.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:I'm like Lord, is that you? And he's like, yeah, and I used to doubt it a lot.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And then I heard of Jesse Duplantis' message about doubting the doubt. He says why would I put doubt on you if I send you to do something? He said I'm not of doubt.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:So now the devil just kind of messed up, because now when he puts doubt on me I'm like I got to go.
Speaker 1:I know right.
Speaker 2:But we came back from that ladies retreat this year and we'd had a wonderful service that morning and then we had I wasn't going to make it to night service Because I had this blister came up the night before and it was like on the tip of my tongue and I mean it was bad, it was hurt, and I was going to go to the doctor and I said, no, I'm not missing church, I'll just, I'll go tomorrow or something. So we get at church, everything's moving and I hear laughter in my head and I'm like, why do I hear laughter in my head?
Speaker 2:The Lord was laughing at me I was fixing to miss this for my tongue, for something that he had put there, and it says it. You know it says in the Bible. He says when I he goes, he will um supply everything that you need, right? Well, he told me that night, and he was through, a prophet in the church came to me and they told me and they said I put that fire in your mouth and I'm thinking I was fixing to miss all this at church because of something the Lord had done for me and gave me. I mean, how many people miss out because, oh, I've, you know I don't feel good, or you know, hey, I need, I think I need to go to the doctor. Yeah, when you could have come to church, you know.
Speaker 1:I've been there, I've done it.
Speaker 2:I have too and come to church and get prayed for and probably get a better, bigger blessing, because I feel like sometimes the devil's using that to keep us from where we need to really be yeah, devil's playbook.
Speaker 1:He knows exactly what to say. He's been doing it, you know. You know since the beginning of time. So I mean he knows, he knows how to get us no, but I mean that's, that's about all I have.
Speaker 2:I mean, I could tell you all kinds of stories, but no, your testimony was wonderful.
Speaker 1:I thank god for it, because it's lifted me up, gave me encouragement. You know, through all the stuff that I'm going through and there's some things that you know I'm going through now that the lord just tells me to hang on. James, you know what? What do we say in our church?
Speaker 1:the checks in the mail yeah you know, however your check may come, that checks in the, in the mail. You know if that check be healing, if that check be deliverance, if that check actually means financial stability, that check is there and I constantly am going down the road check's in the mail, james, check's in the mail. You know, and I thank God for it, just stay straight, stay straight, stay on the road. And, you know, let the Lord guide my feet. You know you have encouraged me a lot, you know with your testimony.
Speaker 2:Just remember, it's all a process.
Speaker 1:It is, it is. It's all a process.
Speaker 2:It's all a process, and sometimes our processes are slow.
Speaker 1:Yes, very slow.
Speaker 2:And sometimes they're fast.
Speaker 1:Yes. But we just got to remember. Everything that we do is just a process. Yes, I'll have her email and Facebook tagged on on our website and it'll be linked to everything. So if you guys like to email her, send her a message. You know, let her know. You know that what are, what are testimony? And yeah, definitely, If that's okay with you, that's fine with me. Yeah, Got anything to say, Sister Deb.
Speaker 3:I want to say one thing I commend you. Like I said, I can just see your strength and I know God's behind that, but still, when God blesses us, we still have to work with Him. We can knock our blessings out. Yes, and I can see that you walked right along step by step. He walked right along step by step. He walked right along step by step and I can see it and I wanted to say thank you for coming because that's really helped me out. You've encouraged me because you know, the Lord has given me a ministry and the enemy for the past couple of weeks has been telling me he's been trying to talk me down, down and he's been trying to put doubt and and so, listening to you, uh, you've really encouraged me today and I hope everybody got as blessed as I sat here and got blessed over this.
Speaker 1:It it was man. It's one.
Speaker 3:It's wonderful show thank you for coming.
Speaker 1:It is and and that's what the that's what the whole podcast is about. It's just not getting on here and you know, and coffee time and sitting, and there's. That's what the whole podcast is about. It's just not getting on here and coffee time and sitting, and there's a time and place for that, but it's to let people know that there is hope.
Speaker 1:Our pastor, John. He talks about the man. When Peter went up to the man and he said Silver and gold, I have none, but such as I have, I give unto thee. And that's what we're doing here on this show. We're giving you that there's hope. I don't have a pocket full of money, but what I got, I can tell you that you can make it and God showed me that a while back ago and I love it. And I love how God just gives us, you know, confirmation through our brothers and sisters, just through everyday conversations like this, saying you're going to be able to go through this. You know I got confirmation just through your testimony, through testimonies that David said. You know in the past that God says I've got everything in the palm of my hands, it's okay.
Speaker 2:I love it, I've really enjoyed it. And you was talking about, you know, pastor john's messages, the message that he's doing right now, um, about, um, hearing, um, I'm trying to think of the seed, the soil, the seed, the so, the seed, the so seed to sow in the sower.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, you know, we can like, I feel like, you know, today is a seed, you know, but it's up to other people to take that and sow it into their lives. Um, and I feel like, um, so many people want to want the seed, but then they, they, I don't know if they don't want to hear it, they don't want to process it.
Speaker 1:There's my word again process, um, and in they, or sometimes they might not even know how to process right the what's being said to them well, that's where we go, and we help them take off their grave clothes, like lazarus that got his. And there's some that don't know how to plow the field, and that's what we do we go help them to learn how to plow the field. Some don't know how deep to plant the seed right, so then they're. You know, that's why we're one body with many members, because each member knows what to do at the exact time that needs to be done.
Speaker 2:And, yeah, uh, you know, me and Doyle, um, we do an outreach ministry. It's called last day's outreach um, and we ain't actually been able to have it for the last two years. Uh, one with me being sick. It's just hard for me to help lift and tug and all the equipment and stuff and it's just it's real time consuming because we do it in a day like we we'll go sit up somewhere.
Speaker 1:Oh, I've been there.
Speaker 2:Feed all the people.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And we take it from Revelation 7 and 17, where it says go out and I will feed the people.
Speaker 2:That's awesome and I feel like I said you know, sometimes me and Doyle will never know, and I feel like I have shirts that says Last Days Outreach and it says laborers on the back, because I think that's what we are. We're the people that I think we go out and dig a trench Right. It ain't for us to sew it, it's for us to dig it To show God's love. That's my whole thing. That I feel like Lord's put me here to do is to show people love, um to let them, to help them understand what his love is, um to be the person that you know, I, I don't care who you are, I will come and talk to you right. Um, as long as you know, you'll have a conversation with me. I'll have a conversation with you, don't just I'll talk to the wall.
Speaker 2:So and I love like going out and meeting people and talking to people and I really enjoy that, but I feel like we are trench diggers.
Speaker 1:Okay, I like it.
Speaker 2:And that's our labor is to dig that trench and hopefully somebody else will go through. You know we take a preacher with us. We do, you know, get somebody didn't go and preach for us, um, but you know it takes somebody else going through and dropping that seed it does and then it also takes somebody else to go through and cover it up yes and nurture it and grow it right because if we was to do all the labor ourselves, really think about it.
Speaker 1:You know, you've grown, you've grown a garden. I have, you know, or we've, you know, worked on a house, if we, if we didn't have help, it'd be a really tiring day at the end yes and then sometimes we'll make mistakes because we are tired and you know, and and it's not, that's not the way it's supposed to be. We're supposed to help yes, yes. You know we are to labor, but we are to help and I love that. That's great.
Speaker 2:Now we did so. You know, we never know what happens after we leave a place we went to over across Pine Mountain. I can't think of the name of the church. It's like on that little it's the Church of God over that way. It's on the winding road on the way down.
Speaker 2:I know which one I can't think of the name either Is it like Manassas, Manan, I don't know, Anyway, um, after we left we got a our the guy that was preaching. That night he got a phone call. There was a guy in his house. He'd sit on his porch and listened to us and when we got done he got up to go to the shower and never made it. He it got on him so bad I reckon that he on his way to his shower he got down and prayed.
Speaker 1:Well, amen praise the lord that's the you know.
Speaker 2:That was one of the first confirmations that you know that what we were going out and doing, I think the lord don't hears, I hears.
Speaker 1:I think the Lord. I mean, let's put this one. I don't think we really know exactly what kind of effect or impact that we have on our lives, right, you know, we just picked up. I was looking on my algorithm and the stats on the show and stuff. You know, I've hit every continent except for Australia and Upper Greenland, you know, and Iceland Just in the last few days. You know, I've got a listener or two in Australia.
Speaker 2:That's wonderful.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm reaching people and the Lord had shown me the same way.
Speaker 2:You don't know who you're reaching.
Speaker 1:Right, you don't. You don't know what they're going through. I was like Lord.
Speaker 3:they speak you know another language you know, they understand.
Speaker 1:And that's not up to me, it's up to the Holy Spirit, you know, and it is truly I just sometimes it just throws my mind, you know how, that I don't even know what God's doing in my life and who I'm touching, but I am, and it amazes me, right, yeah?
Speaker 2:Right touching, but I am and it amazes me all. Right, yeah, right, hopefully, hopefully they have a. Um, what is it? Uh? Backwood hillbilly.
Speaker 1:Translator for me. You got the redneck version of our dictionary. That's just the plated simple. I'm an appalachian boy, you know, raised in texas and played in the appalachian mountains when I was a kid. So yeah, I got a little bit, I got worse, I got it bad.
Speaker 2:I know I'm bad. I mean, I've been places and people are like say this, say that, say this, and I'm like okay, why I'm like I sound normal.
Speaker 1:I know right.
Speaker 2:And other people's like no, you do not sound normal. You don't know that?
Speaker 1:I've tried to listen to myself. I was like what are they hearing? You know, it's just, it is what it is. But I thank you for being on the show today.
Speaker 2:I appreciate you having me.
Speaker 1:It has been wonderful. Yes, yes, any more Sister Deb.
Speaker 3:I just thank you guys for being here. You you know we had to have the support around us. And you know. Thank you for being there.
Speaker 2:He's my biggest supporter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's awesome. Well, Sister Debbie, if you want to lead us out with prayer, that'd be great.
Speaker 3:All right, our Father, god in heaven. We thank you. Thank you, lord, for your presence here and now. We thank you for the testimony that we heard today and we hope and pray that this goes out somewhere. For the testimony that we heard today and we hope and pray that this goes out somewhere. Let the ones that need to hear this hear this, let them understand it, let them get the feelings out of it that they need. Lord you, send it wherever the direction you need it to go. We ask you to bless our sister and our brother here, go with them, lead them and guide them Wherever they go, whatever they do, lead them and guide their families, these people. We thank you for everything. We ask, these and all things in Jesus, holy name, amen hey, this is your host, eddie.
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